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NZ: trouble ahead for Ardern’s gun laws

NZ: trouble ahead for Ardern’s gun laws

As the dust among the grief settles somewhat in NZ following the Christchurch Mosque shooting, gun owners are beginning to understand what their PM has in store with her new controls. Ardern’s leap to action over gun laws has won her world wide approbation but like all political knee-jerk reactions practicality is the stick in the mud. Ardern will soon find out that the old gun possession laws will make it virtually impossible to know who owns what and how many.

On the outskirts of Christchurch, the gates of the gun clubs are locked — closed until further notice.n”I don’t think we’re the most popular people in New Zealand right now,” one gun club president told me. Another president I spoke to was more blunt.

Source: ABC

New Zealand shooters’ lobby gearing up to fight Jacinda Ardern’s gun laws in wake of Christchurch massacre

“We’re suffering for something that isn’t our f***ing fault,” he said.

Neither wished to be identified.

In the days since Jacinda Ardern announced sweeping changes to New Zealand’s gun laws, the momentum for change has seemed unstoppable.

Immediately after she ended her media conference, the opposition National Party promised its support; later that afternoon, the NZ Federated Farmers (NZFF) also gave their backing.

“This will not be popular among some of our members,” NZFF spokesman Miles Anderson said.

“But a clampdown is the responsible path to take to try to ensure we’re never witness to this kind of tragedy on our shores again.”

But now, the gun lobby is mobilising. And it’s clear that these gun reforms will not pass without a fight — just as happened in Australia in 1996 after the Port Arthur massacre.

Jacinda Ardern appears to have studied that history. She wants the laws passed through Parliament in less than three weeks.

The gun lobby’s first battle is to slow that process down.

“This is being pushed through so fast,” said Nicole McKee, the spokesperson for New Zealand’s Council of Licensed Firearm Owners (COLFO).

COLFO, along with a number of other firearms organisations in New Zealand, is supporting a petition calling on the government to allow more time for public consultations.

“We support effective changes that will prevent a terrorist attack from happening in New Zealand again,” Ms McKee said

“What we say is we need more detail in order to make a more considered position, [and] a thorough investigation so we can see what went so terribly wrong.”

The head of the NZ Police Association, Chris Cahill, says that’s a standard stalling tactic of the gun lobby.

“Australia struck this when John Howard made his reforms,” he said.

“The key then was acting quickly before they could mobilise and scare politicians away. That’s why we need to do the same.”

The most recent attempt to reform New Zealand’s gun laws was two years ago.

But there have been inquiries and recommendations going back to 1992, when gun laws were tightened after 13 people were killed in a massacre in the town of Aramoana in November, 1990.

“I have spoken to politicians who after the 2016 select committee recommendations said they had never been lobbied as hard on an issue. And it stunned and surprised them,” Mr Cahill said.

This week, former NZ Police Minister Judith Collins told Nine Newspapers she had been subjected to intense lobbying with material sourced from America’s powerful National Rifle Association during her failed attempts to change gun laws.

Ms McKee says COLFO has received no offers of political or financial support from the NRA — although it did receive a letter of condolence after the Christchurch shootings.

Chris Cahill says the NRA’s fingerprints have been on the previous successful campaigns to stop gun law reforms in New Zealand.

“We certainly know that NRA representatives have previously visited New Zealand,” he said.

“We know the rhetoric that we see from some quarters is exactly that of the NRA. And when you go on online forums, you clearly see people quoting material directly from the NRA.

“They have got that same idea — don’t give an inch, or they will take the guns off them. And it’s just not the case.”

Ms McKee says the interim ban on semi-automatic weapon sales effectively stops another terror attack from happening — which means there’s time for more consultation

But when the ABC visited Christchurch retailer Gun City on Saturday, assault rifle accessories were still on the shelves, including speed loaders for AR-15 magazines.

Nicole McKee says COLFO is also concerned that legitimate gun owners are being left out of the debate.

“We have a large rural community that use firearms,” she said.

“They don’t have internet access. They don’t have email access.”

Chris Cahill says he believes that this time, gun reform will succeed.

“I think this week has been a shock to the majority of New Zealanders who just didn’t realise the wide variety and vast numbers of firearms available in New Zealand,” he said.

“And they certainly didn’t realise that we had no registry that allows us to know exactly what those numbers are.

“The idea that a 16-year-old boy can go into a gun shop and buy an AR-15 assault rifle is just abhorrent to most New Zealanders, now that they have learned about it.”

{ 11 comments… add one }
  • KG 25/03/2019, 4:45 am

    “I think this week has been a shock to the majority of New Zealanders who just didn’t realise the wide variety and vast numbers of firearms available in New Zealand,” he said.
    If it’s a “shock” (and I doubt that, coming as it does from a person who would like to see guns removed from private ownership) then it demonstrates just how law-abiding the vast majority of NZ’s licensed gun owners are.
    They’re practically invisible.

  • Magic Carpet 25/03/2019, 7:07 am

    Such a shock eh? Use of emotional argumentation to bamboozle further logical thought.
    Reality – a foreigner did this, not a local. Logically, you would ban or restrict foreigners from ownership of certain classes of weapons.
    As for a 16 year old, in the example by the shocked person, what evidence is there that any 16 year old has bought a semiautomatic/mutilated automatic?
    What evidence is there that a 16yo has used any such weapon to commit crime of any kind?
    The gun owners in NZ have a right to try and delay this long enough that reason returns to those that lost their marbles in the noise of virtue signalling.

  • luk1955 25/03/2019, 7:17 am

    The idea will be to disarm law abiding citizens and hand the guns over to the up and coming moozie gangs to create another Sweden. In the same way Melbournians are now defenseless against moozie gangs because the police will not protect us. Apparently a lot of rich people are buying property in NZ to hide from the people they are fleecing. Can’t have them go down also.

    As for removing guns from private ownership. Guns are the only legitimate and effective defence the citizens have against totalitarian governments and moozie gangs. History has proved this. I prefer to remove guns from government ownership, including the police and armed forces. For the last 75 years our military has never had to defend Australia. They have only attacked other countries that have done nothing to us on direction of politicians who have failed to properly declare war on these countries.

  • Penguinite 25/03/2019, 8:24 am

    How many people have been killed in road trauma’s this year? Let’s ban cars!

  • Pensioner Pete 25/03/2019, 8:27 am

    It seems to me, politicians will never let logic get in the way of hysteria.

  • Biking Voter 25/03/2019, 10:09 am

    Nicole McKee, the spokesperson for New Zealand’s Council of Licensed Firearm Owners (COLFO) said.

    “The interim ban on semi-automatic weapon sales effectively stops another terror attack from happening.”

    So here is a person supposedly representing the gun owners which infers that she should know something about firearms telling all and sundry that terrorists only use semi automatic weapons and the thought of any other kind of weapon (Or bus or truck) has never entered their head.

    Someone please protect me from fools and idiots (and politicians).

  • Albert 25/03/2019, 10:50 am

    It is pretty much accepted that politicians fear the possibility that the citizenry will take up arms against them. With that in mind then it it is logical that Fuhrer Adhern would grasp the opportunity to disarm the citizens of NZ behind the cloak of the dishonest hysterical emotional charade that she is using to hide her socialist dream of totalitarianism .
    Like the firearm debate in Australia, the hysterical gnashing of teeth and confected shock and horror of the fact that there are people who actually own legally registered guns is based on deliberately concocted misinformation, better known as bullshit.
    When the realities of registered and legal (for now) gun ownership are studied we find that there are instances where a registered gun owner does the wrong thing. On the other hand we find that it is the criminal element that commit the vast majority of gun crimes and whether you ban guns or not that will remain the case.
    The NZ police spokesman Chris Cahill comes across as a gibbering idiot in putting up the 16 year old scenario because he does not have substantiated evidence to support his hysterical claims.
    Banning guns will not prevent the criminal element from obtaining any type of firearm they choose just as they do now and that fact is illustrated by the almost weekly shooting “executions” carried out by Muslim based bikie criminals in Sydney and Melbourne.

    • Jack Richards 25/03/2019, 1:41 pm

      When I was 16 I bought a Gevarm semi-automatic .22 and a pump-action shotgun. No questions asked – just had to prove I was 16 – and that was in NSW in 1968.

  • Albert 25/03/2019, 10:55 am

    In yet another attack on their freedoms, NZ citizens have been threatened by Fuhrer Adhern with up to 14 years jail if they are caught with a copy of the Christchurch shooters manifesto on their computers.

  • nev 25/03/2019, 11:06 am

    People need to remember that when a restriction on certain firearms was first mooted after Port Arthur the majority of law abiding owners (of which I was one) were open to the discussion of banning high performance automatic military rifles and restricting semi-automatic rifles and pump action shotguns.
    Little “flack jacket” Johnny Howard, who had probably never held a gun in his hand and was demonstrably terrified of guns and their law abiding owners was rolled by the anti-gun lobby.
    There was little debate and what there was, was of no account because the anti-gun lobby were already drafting the laws regardless of what little debate was still taking place.
    The real damage done was the restrictions and pain the anti-gun lobby was able to inflict on the guns that remained supposedly legal and their hapless owners, had far more consequences than the loss of the goodwill of law abiding gun owners.
    Draconian restrictions and policing of non-rural licenced owners, corralled them into joining a single gun club, severe restrictions on every aspect of ownership was designed as a deliberate deterrent to owning a gun. The massive decline on the voluntary and successful national feral wild life cull was the first of many unintended consequences of uncontrolled anti-gun fanatics. (just take glimpse of the under-story in the Daintree and witness the feral pig damage to new growth)
    On the other hand the murder and suicide rate continued to rise (without guns), along with illegal and criminal ownership of an arsenal of assault weapons our armed forces could only dream about and in numbers that far exceeded those taken in the buyback.
    On the other hand the level of bad blood created was evidenced by the underground gun parts manufacturing industry that blossomed and thrived. It was a bitter joke among many of us who had to wait for engineering work because a CNC machine could be set to automatically spit out single parts (of a gun action) virtually unattended 24/7.
    Melbournestan is a classic Australian gun controlled city. Kiwis take note!

  • J.K. 25/03/2019, 11:09 am

    Polletitians have to wake up if ever Australia is attacked it will only be a well armed civilian population that will save it, and as for political lies about guns you only have to look back to flack jacket Johnnies bull shit in the gun debate here, they had that legislation on the books before a shot was fired at Port Arthur.

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