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 MM’s forum for Delcons and Deplorables #42

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  • Albert 16/01/2020, 8:36 am

    Our government nears peak lunacy with the mind numbing climate change nonsense. Just how do these cretins think that there is any way to control the climate or the weather?


    • Pepperpete 16/01/2020, 12:30 pm

      It’s a case of bullshit baffles brains or, what’s left of their brains.

    • Aktosplatz 21/01/2020, 8:13 pm

      There is not a single one of them that can do anything about the climate. Everyone talks about cutting CO2 emissions, which is an absolute impossibility, the whole organic metabolic pathway system for all plants and animals takes in CO2 at one end and release CO2 at the other end, with the production of oxygen as well.

      The heat from the earth, drives off CO2, the sea warms in summer releases CO2, the sea cools in winter absorbs CO2.

      Right now, at this very moment, green vegetation is springing up among bushfire burnt stubble caused by CO2 scrubbed out of the air by rain.

      That CO2 and rain that is refreshing gardens everywhere. This is not computer modelling, we can SEE it.

      We actually need more CO2 in the atmosphere, more CO2 increases plant growth quantity and quality; CO2 enriched crops survive droughts better, so how good is that?

      Those bastards in the liberal party are lying to us, and of course our DT has nailed it with the exposure of UN 2030 agenda on this very site.

      You see, the UN want less crops,less food, reduce population, and their term for this legislated genocide is “sustainability”.

      The good news is, as I said, nobody can really control CO2 levels in the atmosphere, but they want to try by killing off some of the population.

  • Mint Pattie 18/01/2020, 9:12 am

    Well it’s been a little while before dropping in. But I thought MM would like to know after all the “tut tut” peddled here about vaping, that the CDC has RETRACTED its claims about vaping, correctly attributing the outbreak in respiratory illness to SYNTHETIC CANNABINOID not nicotine vaping. (More probably, the oil based vehicle in which it is suspended.)

    This much was dead set obvious from the start (considering more than a decade of widespread use and tens ?hundreds of millions of users), but no end of so-called professionals, including in Australia in a fundamental manner, jumped on the specious frothings of a few ignorant loud mouths who should hang their heads in shame or at least muse in the level of their own bias when they should be practicing the scientific method.

    In Queensland the level of stupid is so high vaping is considered illegal.

    I don’t have a dog in this, other than a little chuckle at MM and to say that the evidence says clearly vaping nicotine in place of actual cigarettes as a form of substitution and a smoking cessation is relatively safer and with the only caveat that the very long term effects are not known. Mucking around with it like a toy as a teenager is not the same thing at all as a smoking cessation aid. It works and that is why the surgeon general in the USA and the Royal College of Physicians in the UK endorse it for this purpose.

    This recent hysteria is another example of how people are captive to ignorance and emotion. Worth reminding ourselves humans only learned to read 5000 years ago!


    • MM Ed 18/01/2020, 12:54 pm

      Mint Pattie, AK gutterpess, coffin nail and more. Ok, you’ve proved how smart you are. I will leave your post in place, someone might be interested. Your superior intellect has bested all. So has your smug attitude which annoys me today. Take your fake names and addresses and don’t come back—I don’t know where you might fit but with great respect for MM’s many customers it’s not going to be here. Hooroo!

      • Neville 18/01/2020, 11:09 pm

        Betcha hesheit doesn’t read your admonition, MMEd. Ah well …

  • Botswana O'Hooligan 19/01/2020, 8:55 am

    You would think that anything that you suck into your lungs apart from air isn’t going to do you a lot of good.

  • Aktosplatz 20/01/2020, 9:36 am
  • Botswana O'Hooligan 20/01/2020, 9:14 pm

    The treasurer, Mr Frydenberg, and also a politician, blames the bushfire crisis for a possible reduction in a budget surplus thus proving the bastards never allow a stray chance of any excuse to escape. We know that this is patently false of course if we use logic, just as we get that feeling that our inept politicians blame we taxpayers for the problems of our Nation piled upon us by inept politicians. Maybe Pensioner Pete would agree with me about the introduction of the second amendment into our constitution.

    • Pensioner Pete 21/01/2020, 2:11 pm

      Bots: Rest assured, PP fully agrees with the insertion of an US style second amendment into our Constitution, as it can only lead to good governance.

  • DT 21/01/2020, 7:17 am
  • DT 21/01/2020, 7:24 am

    United Nations Agenda 30 – Sustainability.

    Was Agenda 21, meaning completion time by 2021 now 2030.

    Most of the issues we are concerned about are listed;


    • Aktosplatz 21/01/2020, 12:20 pm

      Thanks for doing this DT, I am passing your info around.

      • Botswana O'Hooligan 21/01/2020, 3:31 pm

        Thanks, really enlightening and answers a few questions. The only comfort of being old is that a bloke will die before they bugger the country completely.

    • DT 22/01/2020, 6:42 am

      You are welcome, it is difficult for me to accept that politicians have been able to achieve so much while most voters were/are blissfully unaware of the new world order and objective one world government that former Greens Leader Brown called a “world parliament”, a world with no borders he said.

  • seadogger 21/01/2020, 6:38 pm

    Have just been listening to Motor Mouth MalMo on this Sunday evening…had to turn the sound off…absolutely confusing …Olde Army adage … If you cannot convince them confuse them. …… Malo you are on track for disaster
    Peta Credlin has your number ..enjoy the ride

    • Aktosplatz 21/01/2020, 8:15 pm

      Apparently he is known now as “Scotty from Marketing”.

  • DT 22/01/2020, 6:39 am

    President Donald Trump

    His speech at Davos, wonderful;


    • Aktosplatz 22/01/2020, 9:01 am

      I so envy the US with Trump as their leader. Quite remarkable – a POTUS who puts the US first.

      Wish we had an equivalent here, someone who puts Australia first. Tony Abbott may have turned out like that had he not been politically struck down by liberal turncoats.

      • Botswana O'Hooligan 22/01/2020, 11:21 am

        A fair and just World would have TA back to give him another go for deep down I think that he has the potential to be the greatest PM this country could possible have.

      • PeterW 22/01/2020, 6:12 pm

        Oh come on. What would the Foreign Minister do?

      • Cliff 23/01/2020, 6:53 am

        Bots, if he was to succeed second time around, he would HAVE TO ditch his major flaw, which was trying to be all things to all men. He abandoned his core voter base trying to gain the support of that part of the electorate who would never vote for him whatever he did.

  • Aktosplatz 22/01/2020, 9:21 am

    Nigel Farage on World War 1 (movie: 1917), apparently Nigel is a WW1 history buff.

    Very good interview


    • Cliff 23/01/2020, 6:48 am

      The movie is worth seeing, although I think Sam Mendes got a few more things a bit wrong than Nigel pointed out. By 1917, most officers had learned it was a very bad idea to wear a cap or even jodhpurs, as this was like a big red arrow pointing them out as an officer, and therefore a prime target for snipers.

      And that German sniper must have been given an honourary pass at sniper school – (those buggers rarely missed).

      The movie is basically a WW1 version of Homer’s ”Odyssey”, (right down to ‘the Siren’, (the young French woman), trying to lure the hero ‘onto the rocks’ so he could not complete his quest).

      On the whole, a creditable effort, and a celebration of the heroism of the common man.

  • Pensioner Pete 22/01/2020, 2:35 pm

    Puzzleduck and Triad continue their plan in destroying the Queensland rural sector by the recent Qld Labor’s decision to award a contract for milk and milk products to French and Chinese companies over Qld local Maleny Dairies is a slap in the face for Queenslanders.

    This anti-farmer Labor Government has finally awoken the Queensland LNP from their political slumber and forced the LNP to act. This they have done, refers: https://www.hot91.com.au/news/local-news/102308-health-minister-reacts-to-maleny-dairies-snub

    And if wishing to sign the petition to the Queensland Parliament, go here: https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/work-of-assembly/petitions/petition-details?id=3268

    • luk1955 25/01/2020, 7:48 am

      Apparently you have to live in Qld to sign this petition. Victoriastan does not qualify as a Qld address.

      • Pensioner Pete 31/01/2020, 5:23 pm

        luk: Thanks for trying.

  • JG 22/01/2020, 3:38 pm

    I see that sly Me- again is up to her old tricks. Harry you are in for one hell of a ride with not a great ending.

    • Aktosplatz 22/01/2020, 5:58 pm

      It seems as though her Mum (Doria Rag-Bag) is involved as well.

  • PeterW 22/01/2020, 6:09 pm

    So Red Cross says it will be years before they distribute bush fire donations.
    NEVER donate to these unless its an International disaster.
    That is where the booty is headed for.
    Firies first and formost. Those uninsured…silly buggers!

  • DT 22/01/2020, 8:10 pm

    Red Cross up to their old games with donations, this time fire fund donations, they are planning to keep a large amount in reserve for future disaster relief.

    They are a disgrace.

    • PeterW 22/01/2020, 9:26 pm

      The trail will be Africa and Asia. Goodbye donations.

      • DT 23/01/2020, 7:58 am

        Transfer of wealth again.

        I wonder how many NWO people have infiltrated?

    • Cliff 23/01/2020, 6:35 am

      They plan to retain two #### thirds of the 95 million dollars donated for the fire relief “for Ron” (as in “later Ron” – or “more deserving” victims.

      Translation: no, I had better not go there, but we all know what the “translation” is. Peter W spells it out in his post above.

      Next time they turn up asking me for a donation, I will be quite direct with my answer, which will be a ‘no’ followed by a very short explanation, and the only way we can hope to change their attitude would be for everyone to do the same.

  • Albert 23/01/2020, 9:12 am
    • PeterW 23/01/2020, 11:13 am

      Oh dear!
      There’s still an awful lot of people still relying on others “group think” judging by the comments.
      Why are people like lemmings? Sheer laziness.
      Doesn’t the fact that one cannot debate this is a red flag!!!

  • Cliff 23/01/2020, 6:59 pm

    There’s actually a journo out there who hasn’t joined the GroupThink. Well done Mike O’Connor of the Courier Mail.
    Dissent is dying in ‘modern’ Australia
    Mike O’Connor

    There are times when I feel like a stranger in my own country, the urge to scream in frustration all but overwhelming.

    My problem is that I’m not a believer. I don’t believe in man-made climate change and shake my head in bemusement at the people who are presently running through the streets screaming “climate emergency.”

    We now live in an age in which if something is said often enough by self-interested parties then it must be true. Anyone who attempts to voice a contrary view is howled down and branded a “denier.”

    No one dares to be different. Such is the desperate need to be accepted and on-trend that we will happily go along with any point of view which will be favourably viewed by social media.

    The intellectual laziness of the masses is as sad as it is tragic. We have become a nation of unthinking morons which unquestioningly accepts the views of self-anointed “experts” without wondering if their shouted declarations that the end is nigh might just be driven by the urgent need to justify their existence and get their hands on another research grant.

    To be a climate denier is to suffer eternal damnation but it is perfectly fine to be a democracy denier as witnessed by the fact that there are large numbers of very noisy people who still can’t accept that Donald Trump is President of the United States and Scott Morrison, Prime Minister of Australia.

    They weren’t supposed to win. How did this happen? Apparently the Russians rigged the US elections but how Morrison managed to end up in The Lodge remains a mystery. The man’s a Christian, for God’s sake and doesn’t believe that the world is about to end. Go figure.

    Nor do I believe that people who attempt to lie and cheat their way into the country should be allowed to settle here and struggle to understand why people like Minister for Home Affairs Peter Dutton is pilloried for doing what he is paid to do — protect our borders.

    My advice to those with bleeding heart tales who wish to live here? Get in the queue.

    Admitting that you admire Dutton for his forthrightness is, of course, akin to confessing to devil worship and not something you would dream of doing in the company of strangers lest you be set upon and tarred and feathered.

    I also have no time for the United Nations, a multi-billion dollar club which boasts among its members some of the great hypocrites and pontificators of our time and which seethes with corruption.

    Australia Day is one month distant so the non-aboriginal among us must ready ourselves to be branded as white supremacists celebrating a bloody invasion.

    I don’t buy it. Instead of wasting energy moaning about historical wrongs, tackle the alcohol, drug and sexual abuse and poor parenting that denies so many aboriginal children a shot at a better life.

    This is not a point of view that people publicly express because they know they will be denounced as being racists if they do so. So be it.

    Christmas in also coming but don’t mention Jesus or the birth of Christ lest in so doing, you offend someone and that would never do.

    I’ll continue to live, then, in my own little offensive, racist, climate denier world but I’ve a feeling that I am not alone. Please feel free to join me.

    • Aktosplatz 24/01/2020, 8:27 am

      When I used to buy and read the Courier Mail (I don’t anymore) Michael O’Connor’ articles were always one of my favourites ( Frances Whiting was another).
      Very down to earth and pragmatic. Even Terry Sweetman, whose politics I disagreed with wrote good articles. True professionals back in the day.

  • PeterW 24/01/2020, 7:48 am

    Excellent post Cliff, I’m with you on every point.
    You notice also that those you attempt to engage with always raise their voices as if to out-do a discussion.
    Keep the message going.

    • Neville 24/01/2020, 10:43 pm

      Yes, I’ve also noticed that. It’s as if they are (subconsciously or otherwise!) trying to shout one down, even though there’s clearly no need for being shouty – except perhaps for 2 of the SJW Rules – always double down, and, point and shriek.

  • DT 25/01/2020, 1:20 am

    Agenda 30 – bushfire season, and more;


  • DT 25/01/2020, 8:15 am

    In 1992, Paul Keating signed Agenda 21 on behalf of Australia. 178 Nations around the world signed Agenda 21. What is Agenda 21 you may ask? In short, it’s about global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.
    Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit 1992 said, “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.”
    Imagine if the government was purposefully rationing the use of electricity, water, petrol and natural gas, and that the enactment of these policies came from your local government’s committee or department of sustainability?
    These local government (council) sustainability boards will decide how much energy, water, and other natural resources your home is allowed to use, limiting your ability to wash your dishes, take a shower or bath, flush the toilet, and drink a glass of water – regardless of the size of your household or how many children you have.
    Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced – a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision- making at every level.
    Agenda 21 leaves no stone unturned and no person outside of its reach. In order to accomplish its goals of sustainable development and to make you into a so-called “steward of the environment,” Agenda 21 seeks to control you and your life. Once implemented, Agenda 21 will affect you the following ways:

    • DT 25/01/2020, 8:17 am

      • Eliminating your right to private ownership (property rights)
      • Forbidding you from entering woodland and wetland areas
      • Punishing you with higher prices at the store
      • Restricting your civil liberties
      • Restricting the number of children you can have
      • Restricting the amount of trash or waste you can dispose of
      • Restricting the amount of water you can use
      • Telling you how much to harvest on your farm or land
      • Forcing you to participate in community projects
      Another arm of Agenda 21, is to privatise water. A farmer can only capture 10 % of the water in his dam, the rest must flow to the rivers and creeks, or be taxed. South Australia are just starting to feel the effects of Agenda 21, with the state government trialling low flow by-passes on dams, at an estimated cost of up to $30,000, this is to stop water running into dams. A water licence must be bought for irrigation from your own dam and also a right to take water levy, whether you use it or not, has been introduced by the government, and supported by the opposition.
      Let me draw Australian’s attention to Section 100 of the Australian Constitution. It reads…”The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade or commerce, abridge the right of a State or of the residents therein to the reasonable use of the waters of rivers for conservation or irrigation.”
      This has not been challenged in the high court but we believe that Australians, under section 100 of the Constitution have the right to water. John Howard and his Liberal government, separated land and water in 2004 to make it a saleable commodity. This was not done for any reason other than for profit and the grubby business of multinationals and big business to make money.

      Pauline Hanson One Nation

      UN Agenda 21 is now Agenda 30 – 2030

  • Graham Richards 25/01/2020, 9:10 am

    Anti Coronavirus legislation:

    Quite simple if Mr Dutton hurries it along.

    No travel visa, or any other visa to be issued to people travelling to Australia
    without medical clearance to prove the visa applicant/s are free of the virus.
    Medical clearance valid for 1 week only.
    Travellers can also be examined on arrival in Australia.

  • DT 25/01/2020, 1:59 pm

    Sunday, 12th November 2017 – 4PM

    Honourable Josh Frydenberg MP
    Minister for Environment and Energy

    Dear Minister

    Re: Suspend announcement of new record hot days – Inform WMO that Bureau’s measurements are currently not comparable with mercury thermometers – Give directive for release of more A8 forms – Establish an audit mechanism


    I write to confirm my receipt of some preliminary information from Mildura – you may remember that I wrote to you on 26th September suggesting that the new record hot day for Mildura announced by the Bureau of Meteorology of 37.7 degrees Celsius recorded on Saturday 23rd September, was unlikely to be a valid record because it was not measured consistent with calibration.

    The Bureau have since acknowledged that their method of recording temperatures from electronic sensors is not accredited, though they claim it nevertheless gives readings equivalent to mercury thermometers. Interestingly, your office emailed a journalist, backing them up – claiming that a single electronic sensor can “mirror the behaviour of liquid in glass thermometers”. This is nonsense, because mercury and alcohol thermometers have different time constants. This is one reason the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) insist on numerical averaging: alcohol thermometers (that measure temperature minima) have longer time constants than mercury thermometers (that measure temperature maxima).

    Historically, alcohol thermometers were used to measure minimum temperatures, and mercury thermometers were used to measure maximum temperatures – across Australia. Then on 1 November 1996, the Bureau changed their ‘primary instrument’ to electronic sensors.
    Anyway, I am grateful for the information recently received from the Bureau (following your directive), which does enable some comparison of measurements from a mercury thermometer with measurements from an electronic sensor, but only for Mildura for the period November 1996 to December 2000. I received this information in the form of over 4,000 scanned A8 forms, and have personally transcribed much of the relevant information, specifically the handwritten manual recording from the mercury thermometers.


    I can confirm, that the values recorded manually on the A8 forms from the mercury thermometers for the period November 1996 to December 2000 are significantly different from the official values recorded from the electronic sensors. If we consider just the values for September, the mean difference is statistically significant at the 0.05 level of probability, and is +0.34 °C, +0.27 °C and +0.28 °C for the years 1997, 1998 and 1999, respectively.

    Somewhat surprisingly, the automatic weather stations at Mildura for these three Septembers recorded statistically significantly cooler temperatures than the mercury thermometers. (This is generally consistent with other values on the A8 forms, though winter and summer differences may be more extreme.)

    This could suggest that the recent record hot day was in fact an underestimation of temperature. However, I’ve since been shown photographs that prove the electronic sensor in place at Mildura for those three years (1997, 1998, 1999) was shorter and thicker (with a correspondingly significantly longer time constant), than the Rosemount sensor that was in place on 23rd September 2017. Furthermore, the Bureau’s own documentation indicates that the Stevenson screen size has also changed – introducing yet another variable. Additionally, it has been brought to my attention that at that time – back in 1997, 1998 and 1999 – the official recorded temperatures were likely to be a numerical average taken over at least one-minute. The recent record was a one second-spot reading. I have confirmed this from the one-minute data for Mildura for 23rd September, also made available to me recently – following your directive.

    While the current head, Andrew Johnson, claims the Bureau has always taken one-second readings from electronic sensors, this is at odds with a letter from Sue Barrell, Bureau of Meteorology, to Dr Peter Cornish dated 6th February 2013, available online here. The letter details a methodology much more consistent with World Meteorological Guidelines – specifically reference is made to numerical averaging.

    The bottom line is that since the introduction of automatic weather stations over 20 years ago, there has been no documented standard against which Australian temperatures at Mildura, or anywhere else, have been recorded. Of most concern to me is the muddling, (including by your staffers), of the numerical averaging-period with the time constant. The Bureau somewhat confusingly often refers to the time constant as the sensor “averages”.


    I have been reliably informed that when the various variables for Mildura are eventually determined – as they must – the actual hottest day on record for September for Mildura may be 22nd September 2003 or the 28th of September 1928 if temperatures before 1910 are ignored.

    Interestingly, the hottest day ever for Mildura according to the official ACORN-SAT record is 10th January 1939; that summer of 1938-39 was exceptionally hot across south-eastern Australia. When I was researching the longer historical temperature record for Mildura a couple of years ago (at the same time I was correcting for Stevenson screen installations and moves from the post office to the airport in back-of-the-envelope type calculations), I determined that the hottest summer on record at Mildura was likely 1905/1906.

    Backing this up, a relatively recent study published by Lucinda Coates and colleagues (Environmental Science and Policy, Volume 42, 2014) identified Januaries in 1879, 1896, 1906 and 1908 as being months with ‘significant heat events’ in Australia.

    Our Bureau ignores this early pre-1910 historical temperature record, and after 1910 corrects for its political incorrectness through homogenisation as I have detailed elsewhere.


    Whilst the historical temperature record issued by the Bureau may have only been of limited, or academic interest, in the past this is no longer the case in view of the current scientific and public policy debate about global warming. These temperature recordings are now the primary input data which determine a range of scientific predictions, projections and model outputs with enormous, fiscal, economic and political implications both for Australia and internationally. If these temperature recordings are wrong then all the consequent scientific, fiscal, economic and political decisions based on this data may be wrong also.

    On this basis, given the importance of the temperature record, I would suggest that there needs to be an ongoing and independent oversight audit mechanism/group established to ensure that you and the government can be confident that you are receiving reliable and accurate temperature records on which to base government policy decisions both nationally and internationally.

    The fiscal records of government agencies are independently and regularly audited for amounts far less than the fiscal and economic impacts of global warming policies so it would seem only prudent and reasonable that the temperature records of the Bureau of Meteorology, which have such huge fiscal and economic impacts, should be subject to a similar audit regime to ensure their accuracy, integrity and reliability.

    Historical temperature records back to 1880 are the primary input data which determine the range of scientific predictions, projections and model output with enormous fiscal, economic and political implications both for Australia and internationally.

    Current and historical temperature records for Mildura, as measured and collated by the Bureau, are included in the calculation of global temperatures by the UK Meteorological office and NASA – subsequently relied upon by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change informing the Paris Accord.

    Perhaps unbeknownst to these organisations, our Bureau has a ‘novel’ method of recording temperatures from electronic sensors in automatic weather stations that cannot logically give readings consistent with the liquid-in-glass thermometers, which were the primary instruments for Australian temperature measurements until 1 November 1996.


    Given the importance of the temperature record being correct: there is a need for an ongoing and independent oversight audit.

    Inform the WMO that the temperatures recorded by our Bureau are not consistent with calibration, nor any international standard.

    Direct the Bureau to desist from announcing new record hot days – not only for Mildura but for all 563 automatic weather stations recording surface temperatures across Australia.

    Also, I would be grateful to receive more scanned A8 forms, specifically for the period 1 January 2001 until 30 September 2017 for Mildura. (It could be that I have only received A8 forms for Mildura until December 2000, as the Bureau is awaiting your directive to release the forms after this date.) I also await advice regarding the availability of scanned A8 forms from the other 38 locations with parallel data, as I detailed in my letter to you of 22nd October 2017.

    Yours sincerely

    Jennifer Marohasy BSc PhD
    Senior Fellow, Institute of Public Affairs
    Founder, Climate Modelling Laboratory, Noosa
    Member, International AltMet Network

    The assistance of AltMet Network members LP, KS, JV, MN, PC, PM and RM is gratefully acknowledged in the drafting of this letter.

  • DT 25/01/2020, 2:54 pm
  • DT 26/01/2020, 9:17 am

    January 26, 2020 at 5:57 am · Reply
    Good stuff. I would expand the first.

    “The IPCC fallacy is thinking that humans control global temperature.” This is two fallacies in one.

    The first rarely mentioned is that humans control CO2 levels. We do not. CO2 is in rapid equilibrium and the amount in the atmosphere is set by sea surface temperature and Henry’s Law. C14 relapse after the bombs of 1965 show a half life of 14 years.

    In the IPCC reports there are two schools contradictory ideas. One is that man made CO2 stays in the air for thousands of years. Another is that the half life is 80 years. Apparently ocean CO2 is trapped in the currents of the deep ocean. So both are ‘trapped’. This is just convenient rationalization that unlike oxygen, CO2 is trapped. The ocean is stuffed with O2 and CO2. Fish breathe! All but 2% of CO2 is already in the ocean.

    The second half of the first fallacy is that an increase of 50% since 1850 has a substantial effect on temperature, 1.5C. Without help from water vapour, it is agreed by scientists this is not possible. No such hot spot exists. Temperatures actually went down mid 20th century leading to speculation of rapid cooling.

    “The Thunberg fallacy is thinking that a mere half degree of future warming is the threshold to catastrophe”. There has been no process identified which is so sensitive to temperature that 0.5C is catastrophic and nothing has been triggered by the first 1.0C. Most places vary much more every day.

    Desert areas -40C to +40C winter to summer and even temperate zones from 0 to 40C, there is no area which is sensitive to a tiny 0.5C. Except the North Pole which has a summer average of 0.0C. And if all the North Pole floating ice melted, it would be a good thing, the final end of an ice age.

    Antarctica, twice the size of Australia and as big as South America is a frozen ocean on land 3.5km high. It is growing. Summer is -25C and winter -50C, a change of 25C so again a change of 0.5C means nothing.

    My last point is that as CO2 does not vary much summer to winter, what sort of ‘blanket’ allows -40C to +40C. I would take it back to the store.

    From JoNova website

  • Albert 26/01/2020, 10:24 am

    It has revealed that controlled hazard reduction burn-offs had been cancelled because it would affect air quality.
    I wonder if those responsible ever thought of the what the air quality was going to be like when that bushland caught fire?????

    • luk1955 27/01/2020, 8:07 am

      Albert, we all know that is a lie. Just another excuse to save their burnt bottoms. It is at the point where I just now assume all gov’t statements are lies. Because of our low population and the location of burnoffs being outside the major cities, plus east moving winds, air pollution is not a factor in most of Australia. Our heavy industries are gone and cars emit hard to measure amounts of pollution anyway.

  • Aktosplatz 26/01/2020, 10:51 pm
  • Peter W 27/01/2020, 10:01 am

    Just checked out the pics of the “Invasion Day” protests on the Daily Mail. WTF is the naked Chinese woman doing protesting for. Why TF did she come her for?
    Noticed all the usual moronic ratbags LGBTIxyz all indoctinating their towed along kids perpetuating these types of ding bats. What ever happened to instilling decency into one’s kids?

    I also read the story where a CH9 reporter was heading no where interogting Ash Barty to comment on 26-Jan. What a class act this young Aboriginal woman is.

    “‘I’m an extremely proud indigenous woman. I’m a proud Australian. For me, it doesn’t really matter what day it is,’ Barty said. ‘Like I said, I’m staying true to my values. Every single day I want to be kind, I want to be honest, I want to be humble, I want to give the best that I can. That’s all that matters for me.'”

  • Peter W 27/01/2020, 10:17 am

    Don’t you just love this..Its about time these SJW Woke folk tasted their rantings they preach to the world. Another is Di Natale and his 50 acres in the Ottway Ranges – GIVE IT BACK to those you stole it from! Hopefully they may grow some brain cells when they go to court – hopefully!

    “Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are ‘living on stolen land’, say indigenous Canadian tribe who claim £11m mansion is built on island taken from their ancestors by British colonists”

    Suck it up Preach and Leech…

  • Pensioner Pete 27/01/2020, 6:39 pm

    So far for 2020, out here in the forgotten lands of outback Queensland, we have enjoyed the ‘Coming of a Flannery’ with 106mL rain recorded so far with much more forecast to come. Rivers and creeks rising quickly, roads cut and monsoonal rains forecast to continue in this part of the state. A long way to ending the drought, but wow, what a fantastic start to the New Year!!

    • DT 28/01/2020, 6:01 am

      The land of droughts, heatwaves, bushfires and flooding rains.

      Good news for outback Queensland.

    • Botswana O'Hooligan 28/01/2020, 7:53 am

      Thought of yez last night PP as I quoted the BOM stating that we wouldn’t have any decent rain until April to an assemblage. Send her down Hughie.

      • Pensioner Pete 28/01/2020, 8:28 am

        BOM get it wrong so often one wonders how they can forecast with any degree of accuracy or confidence, 20 years or more into the future?

  • DT 28/01/2020, 6:00 am
  • DT 28/01/2020, 7:50 am

    Earth’s climate has been changing for at least four billion years in cycles large and small. Few in the climate debate understand those changes and their causes. Many are fixated on carbon dioxide (CO2), a minor constituent of the atmosphere, but one absolutely necessary for life as we know it. (In the process of photosynthesis, terrestrial plants, and phytoplankton, kelp, and algal plankton in the oceans use sunlight, carbon dioxide, and water to produce carbohydrates and oxygen.) Perhaps this fixation derives from ulterior political motives for controlling the global economy. For others, the true believers, perhaps this fixation derives from ignorance.

    Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore has written an excellent summary of the history of carbon dioxide on Earth titled, “The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions On the Survival of Life on Earth.” In this 24-page paper, Moore notes that we came dangerously close to losing plant life on Earth about 18,000 years ago, when CO2 levels approached 150 ppm, below which plant life can’t sustain photosynthesis. Currently, atmospheric CO2 stands at about 400 ppm which is about one-third the level for optimum plant growth.

    Phanerozoic temp CO2 moore

    Here is the executive summary of Moore’s paper:

    This study looks at the positive environmental effects of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, a topic which has been well established in the scientific literature but which is far too often ignored in the current discussions about climate change policy. All life is carbon based and the primary source of this carbon is the CO2 in the global atmosphere. As recently as 18,000 years ago, at the height of the most recent major glaciation, CO2 dipped to its lowest level in recorded history at 180 ppm, low enough to stunt plant growth.

    This is only 30 ppm above a level that would result in the death of plants due to CO2 starvation. It is calculated that if the decline in CO2 levels were to continue at the same rate as it has over the past 140 million years, life on Earth would begin to die as soon as two million years from now and would slowly perish almost entirely as carbon continued to be lost to the deep ocean sediments. The combustion of fossil fuels for energy to power human civilization has reversed the downward trend in CO2 and promises to bring it back to levels that are likely to foster a considerable increase in the growth rate and biomass of plants, including food crops and trees. Human emissions of CO2 have restored a balance to the global carbon cycle, thereby ensuring the long-term continuation of life on Earth.

    Moore presents a concise history of CO2 beginning in the Cambrian Period 540 million years ago when CO2 was about 7,000 ppm. He follows that with a discussion of how carbon is distributed today between the atmosphere, oceans, plant life, and rocks.

    In his concluding remarks, Moore briefly discusses the politics of CO2 and notes: ” Lost in all these machinations is the indisputable fact that the most important thing about CO2 is that it is essential for all life on Earth and that before humans began to burn fossil fuels, the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was heading in a very dangerous direction for a very long time.”


    • Aktosplatz 28/01/2020, 8:57 am

      I worked in the Brewing and Fermentation industry as a Chemist for 12 years. We used to collect the CO2 from the fermentation, store it in pressurised tanks to be collected for the soft drink industry.

      One of the storage tanks developed a pinhole leak on the outlet valve and it was spotted very quickly because of the sudden appearance of thick dark green grass shooting up in the vicinity of the leak.

      This ‘we must reduce emissions’ is one of the biggest lies perpetrated on mankind. We need more CO2 in the air not less.
      Why do you think your garden comes alive immediately after rainfall? Because of the CO2 scrubbed out of the air by the rain.

      • DT 28/01/2020, 3:44 pm

        Carbon Dioxide – CO2

        Carbon – C

        Carbon pollution is a deceptive description of CO2 and authorities including the politicians who deceive people stand condemned.

  • Albert 28/01/2020, 8:31 am

    When are these dangerous Green initiated standover tactics going to be flushed down the dunny along with the Simple Simon magistrates who hand out such penalties?


  • Deano 29/01/2020, 1:08 pm

    Just curious – has the Corona virus been blamed on climate change yet? Or is it Trumps fault again.

    • DT 29/01/2020, 1:43 pm

      Apparently the CCP elite are getting the Lexus virus.

      • Deano 29/01/2020, 2:04 pm

        LOL! I’ve just updated my computers anti-virus software so I’m OK.

  • DT 30/01/2020, 4:32 am

    Incinerating History

    At left, contributor John Mikkelsen reports on the bushfires that have made for tense days and nights near Noosa and south to Dorrigo in NSW — fires the usual suspects were quick to identify as symptoms of catastrophic climate change. “There’s no record of fire dangers that high that early in those areas in NSW,” Rob Rogers, the RFS’s deputy commissioner, informs SMH readers. “The fires were burning like it was mid-summer.”

    No record, eh?

    Deputy Commissioner Rogers should have a word with the archivists at Trove, the online service of the National Library, who might be able to expand his grasp of history. They could, for example, refer him to this report from the Clarence and Richmond Examiner of September 26, 1912.

    Or this from September 6, 1915.

    Or this from September 28, 1928.

    Or this from September 20, 1935.

    Or this from September 16, 1946

    Or this from September 7, 1951

    Back then, in those innocent days before climate hysteria, Australians understood that a landscape carpeted with drought-dried grasses and pyrophilic eucalypts was apt to go up in flames at short notice. These days, well what’s the point of fire if it can’t be leveraged by climateers to acquire fleets of water bombers, bigger budgets, research grants and a few minutes of doom-laden fame on the ABC.


    • luk1955 03/02/2020, 6:53 am

      It is no coincidence that these fires started way out of season, back in Sept just when the government started pushing these smart cities and the fast rail network. One way to acquire the land cheap or free would be to destroy all living creatures on the land. After all, the original fast train network was scuttled by the, get this, landowners wanting market prices for their land, to build the network. The largest cost of these 2 ideas is the cost of land purchases.

  • DT 30/01/2020, 4:54 am
    • Aktosplatz 31/01/2020, 12:16 pm

      WOW! What a finale that was. Well done, Nigel Farage. I gather he likes a beer or two. Well he’s earned them this time.

  • Cliff 30/01/2020, 6:36 am

    I didn’t watch all of Scott Morrison’s speech to the Press Club yesterday. Mainly because what little I saw was far too much ‘Scotty from Marketing’ and far too little ‘my Prime Minister’.

    The man lacks gravitas, and employs too much verbiage to say far too little – or more to the point, too little of what I want to hear.

    I think I can sum up Scott Morrison’s (note the absence of an honorific) energy policy by saying that I have bought a generator for the house. So have two of my close neighbours.

    • DT 30/01/2020, 6:55 am

      Labor thanks people for taking up their nicknames for political opponents.

  • DT 30/01/2020, 6:55 am
  • DT 30/01/2020, 7:49 am
  • Botswana O'Hooligan 30/01/2020, 8:47 pm

    Might one ask why the Australian Government would evacuate people from China at some expense and stick them on Christmas Island for 14 days. Wouldn’t it be better to have them quarantined for 14 days in China? When one uses a bit of logic one might opine that the people who may, or may not have whatever it is, are allowed to shift and thus have the potential to broadcast the virus far and wide and thus spread it. Aeroplane pressurisation systems (these days) have the air recirculating and thus any virus spreads like magic. Old blokes like me used to arrange the systems so that outside air came in but the bean counters figured that the fuel burns increased by a poofteenth of a milligram, cost a bit more loot, and had that banned. We live in interesting times?

    • DT 31/01/2020, 8:24 am

      The Chinese authorities are struggling to deal with the virus and are even fast tracking new hospitals to accommodate them.

    • Aktosplatz 31/01/2020, 9:45 am

      In the old days, those that could afford it, sent patients out to sea to recover in that fresh sea air. And that’s the best way to go, get outside turn off all air conditioning including the car, and lots of fresh air.

      The most dangerous places are all air conditioned because organisms accumulate in those systems, they are in fact cultivating them aerobically.

      Hospitals, medical centres, and unfortunately, passenger aeroplanes.

      Christmas Island is a good idea as a quarantine and fresh air stop and recovery centre.

  • Aktosplatz 31/01/2020, 12:06 pm

    Preamble from Prof. Ian Plimer’s Book ‘How to get expelled from school’.

    ‘There is no climate emergency. We are all environmentalists and we all want a better world for ourselves and the next generation. Pollution kills and no one wants pollution of the atmosphere, waterways and soil.By contrast, Carbon Dioxide is plant food. It is not a pollutant. How can it be dangerous if we breathe it in and breathe it out?

    Without sunlight, water, and carbon dioxide there would be no life on earth. To call carbon dioxide a pollutant is fraud.”

    ….(further on..)..

    “We cannot afford to wastefully allocate our sparse resources to ventures that give us false hope and address false problems. We cannot be guided by activists who cherry pick information to suit their ideology. We must be wary of banks, corporations, traders, and lobbyists seeking huge subsidies for schemes to reduce our emissions using our money.

    We must be very wary of those self appointed saviours who claim they know what is good for us. They don’t. Carbon Dioxide is a minor Greenhouse gas. At least 95% of the greenhouse effect in the atmosphere is due to water vapour.

    Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, previously a professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide,and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies. He has published many scientific papers, six books and is one of the co-editors of Encyclopedia of Geology.

    Ian Plimer on ‘Outsiders’ (3 min video)


    • DT 01/02/2020, 6:36 am

      Pollution kills.

      A point that is ignored by Church of Climate Change scientologists is the Environmental Protection Agencies and related laws against polluting.

      Created in the 1970s firstly in Europe to deal with “acid rain” that was destroying the forests and buildings, EPA laws resulted in sources of emissions pollution being eliminated. An example was the coal fired power station used as a backdrop in the Carbon Cate commercials here for carbon tax by the Labor Government, that power station in England was demolished many decades ago but the commercial took advantage of the dark smoke emissions images.

      Therefore, if there was “carbon pollution” why does the EPA here ignore it, and why do those who claim it is a problem not refer the sources to the EPA?

      • Peter W 01/02/2020, 9:25 am

        Your last sentence says it all. A useless department – the EPA.

        My guess is that they are there to chase the little guys – gutless like the ATO chasing someone for a receipt of a couple hundred bucks!

  • Albert 01/02/2020, 12:18 pm

    Look up Australian Patriot Radio and have a listen to their latest pod cast – date 1st Feb 2020. It will open your eyes to not only police corruption but also to the move towards police states right throughout Australia:


    • luk1955 03/02/2020, 6:44 am

      Our police state started with 2 events: the imposition of fines for drunk driving, and the staged Port Arthur massacre. But a lot of people admit to wrong when “caught” by the police, even when they have done nothing wrong. It is a mistake to talk to the police at all. Lawyers first rule: never talk to the police. They will twist anything you say to get a conviction. I have seen examples of this, like my neighbour who got molested by the police.

      APR have been covering the ban cash bill promoted by our fascist government. Totally ignored by msm fascists.

  • Peter W 02/02/2020, 2:02 pm

    I see that ASIO has its sights on the Chinese infiltrating sites such as LinkedIn and especially the of the Defence Department.
    I can see the Chinese easily tapping in with the current recruitment of the woke uniforms these days. Good luck ASIO!! Start with the Commissioned Officers then work down to those seeking their promotions through them.

  • Albert 03/02/2020, 11:46 am

    First the Nats ship is holed below the waterline and then the Green’s village idiot, Dick Luigi, pulls the pin and has the Green’s pathetic insects Waters and Bandt scrambling for their top job.
    Ain’t party politics a hoot?

  • finn 03/02/2020, 4:11 pm

    this article is from Lawyer weekly

    on the high powered Crim Lawyer Ms Gobbo. I have never appeared for the prosecution. always the defence. I am very reluctant to attack any lawyer but I regret to say that Ms Gobbo reminds me of statement that the nomenclarute of “ciminal Lawyer” is used where the word Lawyer is the adjective and Criminal is the noun.

    Following months of evidence and statements stacked against the barrister-turned-police snitch, Nicola Gobbo is finally due to front the royal commission and explain her own side of events that saw her informing on her own clients to Victoria Police officers. Before she does, Lawyers Weekly looks back on what she has already said and predicts what’s next.

    Getting Ms Gobbo to the stand has been a long process. The commission has tried again and again to have her front the commission, but each attempt was squashed by counsel insisting on more time. There is still the possibility her counsel will attempt to push back against the commission because they still believe she is too unwell to speak.

    The argument against Ms Gobbo appearing before the commission is that she is unsafe, from both criminals and Victoria Police itself, that she is mentally unwell and that she has a tendency to be distracted, which means sitting and speaking for long periods of time are beyond her current capabilities, despite years of psychological support.

    Arguably, this contradicts her recent behavior – in early December, Ms Gobbo seemed to have little trouble telling her story to ABC’s 7.30 program. To finish, Ms Gobbo told ABC’s journalists that there is “obviously a lot I am keen to say” to the commission.

    Ms Gobbo’s concern during this interview – outside of the possibility her children could be taken away from her if she returns to Australia due to the risk they are in – is how Victoria Police treated her, both during and following her registration. Her primary concern is with former assistant-and-then-chief commissioner Simon Overland.

    This is highly likely to be discussed during her evidence. In transcripts released early this year by the commission of three separate phone conversations between Ms Gobbo, some counsel assisting and commissioner Margaret McMurdo, the barrister said Mr Overland is “evil, corrupt and dishonest” and takes issues with the “upper echelons of the force”.

    She said she believed Mr Overland was involved in the decision to have her registered – and in all major decisions since, such as asking her to be a witness in Paul Dale’s trial. In her call, she said: “It was because the handlers made it clear that, or [had given me] the impression the facts of my involvement went right to the top.”

    In his evidence, Mr Overland rejects having any involvement in Ms Gobbo’s informing but we are expecting a much different perspective when Ms Gobbo takes the stand. She may also take issue with other senior leaders, such as pseudonym officer Sandy White. In her phone call, she said he asked her to engage in a sexual relationship with Carl Williams.

    Other than the senior members of Victoria Police – and some of her handlers, detectives, investigators and controllers – Ms Gobbo will need to disclose what the motivation behind informing on her own clients was and why she willingly breached confidentiality.

    In her ABC interview, Ms Gobbo said the way in which she disclosed information to police was not against legal professional privilege. She gives a convoluted example in which the client tells her about a crime that was about to be committed by another person – because her client wasn’t directly involved in the upcoming crime, she was allowed to tell.

    This contradicts her telephone conversation with the commission. She told commissioner McMurdo and counsel Chris Winneke that she trusted Victoria Police would handle what she was saying in confidence and use what was not subject to legal professional privilege.

    Ms Gobbo revealed she was “absolutely paranoid”, especially in her first few years as a human informer. Police “made it clear to me they didn’t trust me and they would test me,” she told Mr Winneke, and it prompted her to tell them “every single detail”.

    On top of this, Ms Gobbo is also expected to address key moments during her registration and work with investigators, including Office of Police Integrity hearings, why she did not approach legal support, working with Tony Mokbel and the specifics to her informing.

    Lawyers Weekly will be in attendance for her hearings, due to begin on Tuesday morning. To follow along with our live updates, check out the live blog here.

  • DT 05/02/2020, 9:22 am
  • DT 05/02/2020, 3:55 pm
  • DT 06/02/2020, 9:33 am

    Senator Roberts challenges hockey stick graph producer Professor Mann who attacked Senator Molan on ABC Q&A …


    • Neville 06/02/2020, 10:45 am

      Link not working?

      • DT 06/02/2020, 11:39 am

        Just tried it after reading your comment and it worked for me Neville.

      • Neville 06/02/2020, 7:07 pm

        Thanks DT. It still doesn’t go, but I suspect it’s because I have an add-on in Firefox to shitcan “youtube” and get the link via Hooktube, which doesn’t track you and collect your data – unlike “pootube”.
        No worries. Ta.

    • Pensioner Pete 06/02/2020, 11:48 am

      And Senator Malcolm Roberts is just the person to rip it right up these frauds, including the ABC.

  • Pensioner Pete 07/02/2020, 8:11 am

    The unconcealed hatred of the rural and regional areas of Queensland by the Queensland Labor State government knows no bounds as Puzzleduck/Triad systematically remove the training facilities in Queensland for rural workers to the point there are no longer any Agricultural Colleges in Queensland anymore.

    The LNP have been utterly useless in saving the colleges and they are as useless in other areas of concern in this state. Come next Queensland State election in October this year, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation will be snapping at the heels of the major parties with the hope from those living outside of the SE corner, that One Nation will hold enough seats to claim the ‘balance of power’. Until this happens, nothing will change for the better outside of Brisbane.

    Refers: https://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/6618272/fate-of-colleges-sealed-with-legislation-repeal/?cs=4785

    • Albert 07/02/2020, 12:24 pm

      P.P., unfortunately governments, state and federal, in this country ew captives of the criminal UN policies that dictate the destruction of Australia as we knew it. Politicians have deliberately seen to it that our manufacturing industries blew away in the wind and they are just as deliberately wrecking our agricultural industries.
      A case in point is the recent awarding of milk supplies to a foreign country in preference to the Malaney Dairy Co. That was a bloody disgrace but it is not the only example of deliberate treason against the people of Australia by their own governments.
      Would I support an uprising against our governments and their UN masters? You can bet your last shilling on it.

  • DT 07/02/2020, 12:16 pm

    I have made an important discovery, I was under the impression that the Little Ice Age ended around 1770 when Cook explored the East Coast of now Australia.

    The NASA Earth Observatory notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, all separated by intervals of slight warming.

    Note that the BoM will not recognise temperature record data earlier than 1910.

    After all, their warming trend graph creative accounting would be exposed.

    However the IPCC global warming hoax is actually another warming period and with solar in decline again cooling underway again.

    • DT 07/02/2020, 12:25 pm

      Sydney Town began from January 26, 1788.

      BoM temperature records start from 1910 therefore 122 years after colonisation took place.

      It is now 232 years since the start of colonisation.

      • DT 08/02/2020, 9:33 am

        ABC published a story today on the East Coast Low causing all the rain and go back to 1998 as if lows are relatively new weather events.

        They are in fact part of the weather system here in our climate zone, and one was recorded by Cook in 1770 when he sailed along the East Coast.

        Deception is intolerable.

  • Pensioner Pete 08/02/2020, 4:37 pm

    Firstly, copy and paste from a news item online “Today in History” – Ch9.

    “A massive dust storm swept through much of Victoria, dumping red soil, dust and sand on Melbourne, on February 8, 1983. The storm was the result of what was then the worst drought in Australian history, coming just days before the Ash Wednesday bushfires.”

    Secondly, from One Nation’s Senator Malcolm Roberts challenge in the Senate this week as reported by One Nations weekly email: Quote (in part):

    “This is precisely what One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts did this past week when he called out ABC golden boy Michael Mann, the fabricator of the completely discredited hockey stick temperature graph.

    In case you missed it, Michael Mann was recently involved in a disgraceful dog pile on Senator Jim Molan during a one-sided episode of Q&A.

    Unsurprisingly, many of Senator Molan’s Liberal colleagues went missing when it came to providing back up, enter Senator Roberts.

    In a brilliant speech to parliament, Senator Roberts tore apart Mann’s flimsy claims and even challenged Mr Mann to a public debate over his climate change alarmism.

    How did Michael Mann respond? He refused the offer then blocked Senator Roberts on Twitter.”

    • Pensioner Pete 08/02/2020, 6:29 pm

      A link to Senator Malcolm Roberts in the Senate this week speaking about Mann. Refers: https://www.facebook.com/malcolmrobertsonenation/videos/186085572468198/

    • Aktosplatz 09/02/2020, 8:05 am

      I saw that P/Pete, that was tremendous from Malcolm Roberts, we need more like him, but there’s no point in looking towards the Liberals and Nationals.

      One Nation looking good

      • Pensioner Pete 09/02/2020, 5:27 pm

        Akto: Indeed One Nation looks good, particularly for the coming October State election in Queensland.

        The one thing I reckon One Nation should do to strengthen their position is to implement a thorough vetting system for One Nation candidates to ensure the wheat is well sorted from the chaff long before nomination for any particular seat.

  • Aktosplatz 09/02/2020, 9:07 am

    A great white shark filmed by a drone (this is in Australia) something to bear in mind when in the surf at the beach.


    • Botswana O'Hooligan 09/02/2020, 11:14 am

      Akto, I spent some years on coastal surveillance and customs with lots of low level work along the coastline and became a firm non swimmer for huge sharks chase prey in water so shallow that half their backs are exposed, and “estuarine” crocs up to fifty miles offshore poking along without a care in the World. You get sick on top of it and eaten underneath it so heed advice that Spike Milligan would give, avoid shark attacks by sitting under a tree.

      • luk1955 10/02/2020, 6:18 pm

        Hello Bots. Just don’t sit under a gum or eucalypt tree. Might get a large branch dropping on your head or lap without warning.

  • Peter W 09/02/2020, 1:16 pm

    Can we start a concerted campaign to balance or at least show how stupid the debate about PREDICTIONS are?
    Pressure the MSM to interview these pathetic brazen lying ba$tards of their nonsense! If they were more factual they might get folk on board however, it appears only the brainless fall for this sh!t.


    I haven’t even researched our Tom Foolery’s crap re the rubbish he lied about!

    Lets start a “list” for those to be aired on the ABC, ha ha…

    Oh, its pissing down here at present – 12 weeks early according to the trusted BOM. I think its rain, its really really wet stuff. Maybe I’ve got that wrong too?

  • DT 09/02/2020, 3:57 pm

    Why no media reports?

    February 9, 2020 at 10:20 am · Reply
    The largest wind farm plant in Australia, Macarthur Wind is off line and delivering zero power to the grid. It has a Nameplate of 420MW, but at the average Capacity Factor (CF) of 30%, that comes down to 125MW. Even so, the total Nameplate for wind power is (now) 6960MW, effectively, (at that 30% CF) 2090MW. So that makes Macarthur Wind the supplier of 6% of all wind power.

    It went off line to zero output at 2.30PM on Friday 31st January, (the day of the largest power consumption in Australia’s history) and here we are now, Sunday 9th February, and it is still off line and delivering zero power to the grid.

    Nine days, ZERO power.

    If one Unit at a Victorian coal fired plant went off line, you would read ALL about it in the media the next morning.

    Try and find a mention of Macarthur at zero anywhere and you’d be hard pressed. I have looked using as many wording combinations as I can find to try and find a mention as to why it’s off line, and nothing.

    It was a similar thing late last year when Macarthur changed owners and it was down for ten to fourteen days, and again, no mention of zero output for that either.

    I know some of you will try and look for yourselves, and if you find anything, get back to me ….. us all here.

    Nine days of zero output is surely something the public needs to be aware of.

    As some of you may know, I am collating all the wind data for Australia on a daily basis. I have consistently used the CF of 30% as a guide, and the data now backs that up, because after 70 weeks of daily data collection, the long term CF is actually 29.5%, and in all that time, it has never been above 30%



  • DT 09/02/2020, 4:00 pm

    BoM are making the present seem warmer …

    Sky News interview with Jennifer Marohasy


    • Pensioner Pete 10/02/2020, 11:21 am

      DT: I operate my own weather station and have done so for decades, my data is uploaded to CWOP, AWEKAS and Weather Underground. BOM have no role, thus my data for me, is uncorrupted and accurate, it shows the last few years, maximums out here in the outback where I live, are trending downwards.

      Earlier, summer would guarantee max temperatures in the very high 40’s, I recollect in February of 2012 when the boxing was being placed for my shed slab pour, the temperature hit 47.7 C. The local blokes doing the job amazed me how they continued on to completion, then the slab was poured the next morning at 04:30 onwards to avoid the heat. The day of the pour hit 46 C.

      Today, the maximum temperature may hit 40 C, with the forecast stating all this week will be low 40’s, nothing more than 42 C, which allows for some work to be done outside.

      This summer, like last year, temperatures are milder, currently running very low 40’s, no complaints from this quarter.

      • DT 10/02/2020, 2:18 pm

        Thank you for that information Pete.

      • luk1955 10/02/2020, 6:12 pm

        Hello PP. A man of many talents. I would agree with you on this. I noticed that this winter was the coldest, rainiest, windiest winter of my 32 winters here in Sunshine and Melton. Part of it may be advancing age of 65. I have also noticed that summers have become cooler with lower max temps in these last 32 years. More humid also. My friend Hotheads at hotheads.com.au has also agreed with me on this trend and he lives in Sydney. You might like his views on moozies btw and the 911 farce put on by the US government.

  • Cliff 10/02/2020, 8:02 pm

    I’ll admit I’m afraid of sharks – but add a factor of times ten (or more) to give some indication of my absolute terror of crocodillagators.

    One of my all to clear memories (and not fond) is flying in a single engine helicopter up the Sepik River in PNG and looking down – with incredibly thick jungle to each horizon – at the river and its mudflats, the ONLY available forced landing area in case of engine failure (a constant, reviewed-every-minute-or-less in a single engine helicopter) – at the dozens (and that’s an understatement) of giant puk puks (the local name for crocodillagators) sunning themselves on the mudflats along said river.

  • DT 11/02/2020, 3:39 am

    In a fake free market Liddell coal fired Power Station is worth more to AGL destroyed than sold.

    AGL acquired Liddell and nearby Bayswater for the price of one, they share a coal mine and water supply. Liddell generates 2,000 MW from 4 generator units and Bayswater generates 2,650 MW from 4 generator units. Capacity factor about 95% on average.

    The largest Wind Farm in Australia produces 125 MW at Capacity Factor and requires feeder transmission lines to the main grid and “firming” back up generators and storage.


    • DT 11/02/2020, 3:55 am

      AGL now want to close Liddell by 2022 and replace it with a smaller gas fired power station that can be started and stopped more quickly than a coal fired power station which makes it a renewables back up or support generator. They are also considering wind and solar options but overall the capacity of the Liddell Power Station, 2000 MW, will not be duplicated.

      Power stations are said to have a life of 50-years, that is the accountable operation time by which the asset has been written off financially but like all steam engine/turbines with maintenance they can operate for at least 80-years and longer. Of course over time technology advances.

      The NSW Labor Government hand in hand with Federal Labor and their Renewable Energy Target and subsidies commenced the process to sell NSW Government, the people’s electricity generator assets. The estimate market value was $12-15 billion but the sales realised only $5.9 billion – noting for example that Liddell Power Station was given to AGL with Bayswater.

      To add insult to injury for NSW taxpayers when the sales were completed by the Coalition Government and the government owned private companies that had replaced the NSW Electricity Commission were shut down the combined debts, borrowings the Labor Government in power in NSW for 16-years had arranged, paid as extra dividends to improve the NSW Budget bottom lines over the years, all that was left after debt and interest retirement was $800 million.

      AGL apparently claim that it would cost around $300 million to extend the operating life of Liddell. They refused to sell it for about that amount a few years ago despite effectively acquiring two for the price of one. Replacement with a new High Energy Low Emissions Power Station would cost several billions of dollars.

      There is also an option the NSW Electricity Commission had considered to add more generator units at Liddell and Bayswater or just Bayswater. They could be HELE technology.

      As the JoNova linked article indicates electricity market pricing is being manipulated and has been since the sector was privatised and wind and solar by comparison toy energy intermittent producers were favoured by our governments and private sector operators subsidised for profit as well as profiteering from market price manipulation.

      It’s no wonder that certain interested parties make so much noise criticising the Morrison Government as they do what they can to gain State cooperation to bring electricity prices down and push for new power station generators.

  • DT 11/02/2020, 5:01 am

    After negotiations with VIC and QLD State governments the Federal Government has agreed to underwrite funding for two private sector gas fired power stations for VIC and SEQ.

    Don’t be fooled, the renewables industry favours gas because the start up timing is faster than coal, and coal fired power plants are best suited to non-stop generating to provide baseload energy.

    Gas enables the wind and solar businesses to get around their intermittent unreliable supply situation, in other words add to the “firming” or back ups.

    Gas is better than no new power stations but we need large power generators coal or nuclear powered steam turbines to secure essential baseload electricity, and we need more competition in the sector as the Federal Government is trying to arrange.

    It is hard to accept that State governments have lost taxpayer’s monies privatising the electricity generator and transmission sector, that electricity pricing continue to rise and is now so expensive yet renewables wind and solar energy are around 10% of supply plus a little at times and minus a lot other times.

  • DT 11/02/2020, 5:22 am

    Proving 100% from renewables is impossible …


  • Albert 11/02/2020, 7:50 am

    I see that miserable excuse for a man, Malcontent Turnbull, and Loosey are at it again taking selfies with Joko Weirdo. Why don’t that pair just rack off and stop being a pain in the rear end.
    I didn’t want that narcissistic fool as PM and I certainly don’t want to hear his self-serving interfering opinions on anything to do with the running of this country.

  • Albert 11/02/2020, 8:32 am
  • Albert 11/02/2020, 11:22 am

    The lunacy goes on and on.
    A Court Jester in the High Court has ruled that those who ‘identify’ as Aboriginal, even if born overseas and hold citizenship of the country in which they were born, cannot be deported from Australia if they stuff up.

    • Pensioner Pete 11/02/2020, 2:17 pm

      Albert: Now, that is certainly a can of worms just opened, talk about opening Pandora’s Box, this has now been achieved by the left winger fools in the High Court.

      Maybe I should ‘identify’ as part of the Great Barrier Reef and lay claim to the $444 Million?

  • PeterW 11/02/2020, 7:01 pm

    I’ve always respected the monarch but I feel a Royal visit to affected bushfire regions is a little hard to take.
    The cost of security should be going straight to these areas.
    Its not the time to smoke screen the antics of the recalcitrant offspring.

    • Aktosplatz 11/02/2020, 9:27 pm

      I agree PeterW, we don’t need Woke William here, he’s as bad as Harry.

  • Aktosplatz 11/02/2020, 9:20 pm

    That’s how you play the piano

    Boogie Woogie E flat and A flat


  • PeterW 12/02/2020, 7:34 am


    You have a database problem with the Animal Activist story – cannot open up “more”.
    Cheers Guys [If you are referring to:Animal activist working for DEFAT? 24/11/19 it does work! If it’s not that article I need specific name and posting date.MM.Ed]

    • PeterW 12/02/2020, 8:16 am

      It was “Anarchy disguised as protest”
      Working now

  • Albert 12/02/2020, 8:48 am

    A gang of black African thugs attacked shoppers and staff at the Lyndhurst Woolworths in Melbourne not once but twice. A video shows one of those thugs belting a woman with a baseball bat but the useless Victorian coppers have not made one single arrest in relation to this thuggery.
    Those black criminal gangs should be deported. That is if the High Court doesn’t find that they are a protected species and cannot be deported.

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