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 Is China spying on our proposed submarine fleet?

10.10.19. Any accusation of China sending spies to ferret our secret information concerning the French submarines bolstering our naval superiority to be delivered, er, when was that?, oh yes in about 30 years would be a surprise to China. The secret nature of those submarines, the deal made by the mincing poodle Pyne, has military brass around the world laughing their heads off over replacing the nuclear propulsion system in favour of diesel. When Customs officials checked one of the Chinese sailor’s bags after an x-ray alert they found a super size rubber band gift wrapped and tagged, RAN submarine fleet!
Chinese naval officers have flown to Sydney to monitor high-level military discussions and examine cutting edge technology being adopted by the Australian Defence Force. The People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLA-N) delegation is among more than 80 nations represented at the Australian Navy’s biennial Sea Power conference being held on Darling Harbour.

Source: ABC

Record number of Chinese military personnel at Australian Navy’s biennial Sea Power conference

Defence has confirmed a total of six PLA-N officers are attending this year’s event, although the ABC understands several other Chinese military officials were denied access.
“PLA-N delegations have attended in similar numbers in recent years,” the Defence Department told the ABC in a statement.
The delegation is being led by the Deputy Commander of China’s South Sea Fleet, Rear Admiral Yu Manjiang, who held a bilateral meeting on Wednesday with the Australian Navy’s head of engineering, Rear Admiral Colin Lawrence.
On Tuesday, the visiting Chinese officers were also in the audience as the Commander of the US Pacific Fleet, Admiral John C. Aquilino, stressed the importance of America’s naval alliance with Australia in the Indo-Pacific region.
Members of the Chinese group have also spent much of the week inspecting weapons and defence equipment being displayed at the adjoining PACIFIC 2019 military trade show.
Australia’s secretive $50 billion Future Submarine fleet being designed by French company Naval Group is of particular interest to the Chinese visitors.
In a statement, Naval Group said it had “not received an official approach for a briefing on the Future Submarine Program by the Chinese delegation”.
However, Naval Group said it had “provided an unclassified briefing on our global capabilities, products and platforms to a number of delegations and members of industry who have visited our stand during PACIFIC 2019”.
Earlier this week Navy Chief Vice Admiral Michael Noonan said it was possible Australia’s new diesel-electric submarine fleet could eventually be switched to nuclear powered.

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  • TommyGun 10/10/2019, 5:55 am

    That sounds very bright…allow high-ranking officials from a potential invading power to closely scrutinize your navy and its weapon systems.
    I’m sure our guys will be invited by the chings for a reciprocal visit…NOT.

  • Lorraine 10/10/2019, 8:11 am

    They came for the comedy show, The Chinese know that by 2050 the sub hits the water out of date and no oil to run the frigging thing anyway

    • Disgruntled 10/10/2019, 9:17 am

      It sure is a comedy show. Our defence was run by compete utter nut jobs and it appears it still is. Australia only has bumbling total amateurish fools running the show.
      It’s way past time to swallow the pride {whatever pride there is or was} and quit the contract and get decent subs from decent suppliers who are more in sync with OUR needs. France is far too far removed from our needs. Diesel, gorblimey there won’t be any left by the time the last French sub is expected to arrive.

      Maybe even China ha ha, They are reportedly turning out subs nearly as fast as Australia turned out Holden cars! When ours get here there will not be any room left in the water!!

      American or Japanese subs would be much better, far less security risk, and more friendly nations to boot and delivery times would would be far more acceptable.

      By the way the only good thing France has left now is Fabio Quartararo, The brilliant MotoGp rookie. Go Fabio!! Next year Marc will have his hands really full, should be an exciting year of bike racing.

  • Graham Richards 10/10/2019, 8:58 am

    No need to spy. They probably get all the information they want from ALP members they’ve bought & paid for!

  • Penguinite 10/10/2019, 9:09 am

    They probably want to put in a lower bid?

  • Twoofus 10/10/2019, 9:21 am

    Spying on our diesel subs!. Seriously, why bother? We should have got VW to make them, they are really good at diesels.

    • Aktosplatz 10/10/2019, 3:19 pm

      It’s just for their entertainment

  • Twoofus 10/10/2019, 9:35 am

    Off topic? I just thought, where does the exhaust from a diesel sub go? Be rather obvious to find if just released, follow the bubbles. Rather like watching the bubbles in a bath!

    • DT 10/10/2019, 10:55 am

      The diesel engines are not used when submerged.

      The propulsion system is diesel-electric.

      • Graham Richards 10/10/2019, 1:59 pm

        Please sir, can we please also have solar & wind power!

        Specifications by Arseholes inc.
        it would all be very funny if it weren’t so bloody expensively embarrassingly tragic!

      • DT 10/10/2019, 2:13 pm

        Graham a subject I have not noticed being discussed for some time is the French design propulsion system, water pump or sometimes called water jet system.

        They require a lot of extra power compared to a propeller and, from what I read a while ago, the French engineers doubted that diesel-electric or conventional power could handle the water propulsion.

        Many questions, even re-designing to incorporate fuel tanks that nuclear does not have, and diesel engines.

        I suspect the Mansion-Pyne EU deal ignored the costs and feasibility of re-designing a nuclear submarine design. When they turned away from the world class Japanese conventional submarine with US technology installed. Or the alternative of US lease or buy nuclear submarines.

  • DT 10/10/2019, 10:54 am

    When asked about the RAN sourced suggestion that nuclear power could be ordered for the French built Submarines earlier, noting that the RAN always reserved the right to go nuclear after the first conventionally powered versions were delivered, the Minister for Defence denied that was a possibility.

    We have ratbags in positions way above their ability.

  • Cliff 10/10/2019, 8:01 pm

    If some Chinese naval attache or intel. officer was to tender a report to his superiors in Beijing that was an honest, accurate assessment of the state of Australia’s current and future defence capabilities, he’d risk being laughed out of the room, his career in tatters.

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