aaaaaaaaForum for Delcons and Deplorables # 55
Previous comments here. Update 19/03/21
A vaccine is supposed to make you immune to the particular disease but both the ‘flu vaccine and this one don’t for the ‘flu has been around for a long time and people immunised against it still catch the bloody virus and will continue to do so. Maybe it’s a giant hoax or the various governments have stuffed up very badly and are covering their backsides, and it’s futile to state that all governments can’t be stupid if one thinks about most governments attitudes to Adolf Hitler and Mussolini in the thirties. Why do I think that, because the death rate statistics are either slightly above normal at worst or below normal at best, probably from people practicing more hygiene. Most of the deaths are in older folk and older folk nearly always have underlying afflictions and wouldn’t last too many years anyway and when looking at younger deaths they too have some underlying affliction. And lastly, no one around seems to actually know anyone who died from the virus.
Let us all understand one thing that our old GP said.
“Every medicine you take is a toxin. It is only its virulence that determines what is attacked and to what degree.”
Older style vaccines attack the body to cause an immune reaction to fend off future attacks, but there isn’t a “One size fits all”
The new purported vaccines are completely different in structure and the side effects are unknown – hence the Big Pharma legal immunity.
For my part I will take either (or both) the proven toxins HCL and ivermectin, which are designed to poison malarial and intestinal parasites, because extensive studies reveal that they are also effective in attacking viruses like Covid-19. At least the risks are well known and documented.
When will our state governments decriminalise doctor’s prescribing or people simply buying hydroxychloroquine ( used with zinc ), ivermectin, remdesivir and other known cheap and effective treatments for covid related infections?
Paul Kelly in the Australian lauds the government for saving us from the dreaded virus and then slams them for being mediocre saying that they choose mediocracy and are living in the past instead of using the virus to advance the country. They have been mediocre all the bloody time for they have been a do nothing government and Morrison is another Malcolm Fraser and his only claim to fame is that he replaced turnbull. One suspects that the treasurer calculated early on that our slide into recession could be blamed on the virus but then the recession turned into a depression and the outcome from shutting the country down and buggering the economy has bitten them fair on the rear end. There will no Bob Brown around next election to save them so we are going to have a Labor government and Morrison et al will shake their heads and wonder why.
Summed up nicely Bots.
We have been deliberately maneuvered into this situation since the early 1970’s, no doubt all part of the ‘Grand Plan’ of subjugation of the people, which so far, is hugely successful.
No no, Turnbull handed Morrison the role. He worked out that the LINO voters would select him over Dutton. Jool Bishop just had the fluff supporters and thankfully lost out.
Where are the MSM? I want to know where that charleton Tom Foolery is hiding. I see the only place this a-hole gets security from is his ABC.
Imagine if we had a few more dams out west, they’d all be full by now.
I had heard he high tailed it to the NSW south coast where the uninsured Gangreenes were burnt out. Typical demographic for all the fools.
I had a bit of a panic attack when I went to vote on Saturday something about an “app” what? Eventually gave name address and tried to escape but was herded to vote though wish I kept my voting papers as a memento to democracy lost. Seems the same help American elections had was also visited on us located at 111 St Terrace Perth by name of Scyti and a van who job was Shredding paper. Ah yes why did I bother to put myself through that.
The WA mob are up there with the best of them and probably have no equals in Aussie politics when it comes to skulduggery, at least that was the way it was when we lived there for most of them made Bondy look like a gentleman.
What, BOH? You mean more so than the Rum Corps or Xiping Dan’s Stasi?
I see, in keeping with the MSM level of contributory programming, Channel 7 are showing their latest ‘celebrity’ show – Dancing with the convicted, lying drug mule’. Well at least it defines the social level and me too desperation of the other ‘stars’. Arrrrrrgh.
I wonder if anyone has been in touch with Tim Foolery? Y’know, to clear up the confusion between his prognostications and the actions of mother nature? I’m sure .. at least I think I’m sure .. that he could explain how the dams will never fill up again. It must mean that Warragamba overflowing is an illusion, or something …
Forget it. Tim’s glommed onto the next woke talking point now. He just follows the grant money.
I see Hapless has landed a gig as Chief Impact Officer in the US.(Some wag in the UK has abbreviated it to’ C.H.I.M.P.’)
I hope his tax records are in order.
“chimp”? Surely with THAT hair he’d be a ranga?
I note that ABC’s “Q&A” tomorrow night (Thursday 25 March) will be featuring Bruce Pascoe, with the ABC’s own Suntan Stan as wingman.
What’s the bet that absolutely nobody is allowed to ask him what evidence he has, that he is of Aboriginal descent?
Grant claimed that the ado over sexual assault at the moment is actually racist. He advises his claim is based on aboriginal women being 40 times more likely to be assaulted than non natives and they are ignored. This is not in dispute, no argument and its almost totally because of aboriginal men. They are largely the source of the problem but also run protection when any mention of their failures results in the screeching of “Racist”.
It,s systemic and entrenched. If you read the accounts from after the First Fleet it will be noted that their society is referred to as largely patriarchal and vicious . Some tribes yes, were more civilised, that`s why I said “largely.”
Barangaroo was noted mainly because she was often at the Hospital being treated after being bashed again by her “proud Eora man ” husband, the warrior Bennelong.
Yes, yes, the same Bennelong who was thought to be rather too adept, just a little more assiduous at “brownnosing” to the so called Invaders.
Tasmania’s ‘Dark Mofo’ festival cancels ‘artistic’ plans to soak Union Jack in indigenous blood.
I could nominate a dozen or so to volunteer their blood. I expect the cancellation was due to a musical chair moment looking for a nominee?
Those so-called ‘artistic plans’ were shock jock tactics – a revenue raising stunt for MONA in Tasmania. It’s all about making money through cheap publicity.
I’ve been there – the ‘modern art’ is usually cheap pornography.
Quote from Hiden Biden, ‘They were coming north and we did nothing to do much about it. There’s no surge we’re dealing with now started with the last administration”. Unquote.
You will all be surprised to know there is a massive increase in illegals trying to get entry to the USA. It seems to be Pres Trumps fault, unrelated according to Joe at least to his actions since inauguration so in a master stroke he has made the managing it to be the function of VP Camel.
That`s bad but what is worse is this cove is incapable of even the simplest sentence, not a resemblance of coherent thought. Apart from his Presidential Address how in Gods name is he going to argue the toss with Action Man Putin and the maniacal Xinping?. Somebody here suggested he will be gone in 6 months, I suspect a good deal sooner.
I see that dumb-arsed Trent Zimmerman wants women to be equally represented in the Senate. He intents to put forward a paper calling for the Senate nominations be based upon a 50/50 representation.
I wonder what ever happened to the idea of selection by merit and not by your ‘biological’ sex.
Strewth Albert, the last count I heard of was about a hundred genders!. If they all want equal representation how the hell do we work that?. It,ll be like that Mr Bean “Welcome to Hell” skit, “ok paedos over in that corner, onanists just here, homosexuals -bottoms against the wall, lesbians next to the cucumbers”
ASIO and the MSM have launched their Anti-White narrative with gusto, alleging a ‘rise in right-wing extremism’ within Australia, whilst taking their eyes off the ball of Islamic terrorism, despite the arrests of Islamic terrorists far exceeding arrests of ‘far-right extremists’ and the imbalance between actual terrorism acts and big mouth talking.
As expected, the narrative is dredging up any person or group who are able to be tarnished with the ‘right-wing terrorism’ tag.
And for balance:
Vic Gem dealer and Qld dog trainer held after joint counter terrorism teams’ ‘extremist network’ probe
The missing link: https://rockhamptononlinenews.com.au/gem-dealer-and-dog-trainer-held-after-extremist-network-probe/
News of this particular action is behind paywalls at the moment.
“Right-wing extremist” – any patriot, armed or not, who wants to stop the socialist perverts taking over the country and imposing their reign of terror. In other word, a hero.
Totally agree Sir Peter and PP, and anyone would have to be very naive to think resources like MM are not scanned routinely by Asio and the like. And they are not worried about legalities, whether someone calls an arsehole an arsehole but with hostile intent.
May be better it is said, to infer than impute?.
They not only keep an eye on MM but probably contribute comments of their own. Just think of it!!! Us dangerous old farts are creating jobs in the brothel on the hill aka Canberra. Very public spirited we are.
More right wing extremists disguised as followers of the Religion of Peace up to no good.
Michael Smith News.
Brittany Opens For Business.
Please read the comments …
Yes interesting that Kathy was ushered around as a minor for entrapment, whereas Britt went voluntary as an adult woman.
Biden compliments former President Trump as a continuing demonstration of his desire to promote ‘healing’ for the Trump supporters in the US.
See for youself.
Biden, so slick with the lies.
Notice how much bang for your buck one gets with the “I had considered suicide” now gets you?
Don’t get me wrong, I do believe that ALL political parties have their dirt bags. The opposition’s time will come when they’re tired of working to keep in government.
I think I came across an ask from the RSL for donations but for me as a veteran, I wouldn’t give the RSL a single cent and below it is explained why:
ANZAC DAY SHAMBLES by Bill Farrell
I am still pissed off with the attitude of the Federal and State Governments, The
RSL and Bureaucrats (State and Federal) re the handling of the ANZDAY
Celebrations for 2021.
The Premiers of all the states have now relented and have allowed the ANZAC DAY
March to proceed as normal albeit with restrictions. WHY?? The Premiers of the
Eastern States have allowed unrestricted Aboriginal activists, climate change
activists, Black Lives Matter, Pfters and Lbians at Mardi Grai to march during
COVID whilst Victoria have allowed Moombah to proceed yet , ANZAC DAY
(gazetted as a public holiday Australia wide) which commemorates the sacrifices
made by the Australian and New Zealand Armed Forces has restricted participants.
WHY?? Do the State Premiers acknowledge that Climate Change Activists,
Poofters and Lesbians are more important to Australia than those who have served
( and some who have lost their live) Australia
The Federal Government is no better. The Federal Government is the first to say to
Australians “WE NEED YOU – JOINT THE ADF TO-DAY” in times of crisis, and
send young Australians off to fight in another Country, to be shot at etc and
hopefully return unscathed. The Unions do not care – they refuse to help by their
unwillingness to load critical supplies on to ships etc for those fighting for their lives
When the troops returned from Vietnam they were shunned, spat at, ridiculed etc
by the public. Did the Federal & State Governments step in to help those returning
Veterans? NO. The same thing is happening to-day. Maybe not the
demonstrations etc but the apparent lack of
acknowledgement for their efforts. It is apparent this is probably the reason as to
why so many of our recently returned Veterans are committing suicide.
Where has The RSL been in these matters? Hardly a whimper from them. By their
silence they appear to rubber stamp the decisions of both Governments. So one
asks the question “what is the use of the RSL to-day”? As for the bureaucrats – the
less said the better. All they seem to acknowledge is a fat paycheck – couldn’t give
two hoots about anything else.
Despite the restrictions, those who wish to march MARCH. Who would refuse a
veteran (wearing medals etc) the right to join in the ANZAC DAY MARCH
irrespective of the numbers permitted?
So I ask this question – WHO IS MORE IMPORTANT TO AUSTRALIA??
VETERANS OF THE ADF or PFTERS, LBIANS, DEMONISTRATORS ETC.
Albert: Well put.
The hypocrisy is there for all to see, those who do not wish to see and those who do wish to see, the truth is there, the hypocrisy is clear and visible and the RSL and Government are all complicit in their lack of respect for our military, either active or not.
My sentiments also Albert. I still look at those ratbags my age and wonder if they were there to spit on us returning. They were the ones that had me vote all my life correct (right). The left could offer me an extra 10 grand a year and I will never accept.
I ditched the RSL Art Union membership when some woke bitch campaigned against Alan Jones sponsors.
More from “Our ABC” (Glorious!) any comments , Ita? (LOL)
So now the CCP has imposed a monumental 200% tariff on Australian wines.
They’ll try to prove dumping!
They’ll try to prove sub standard product!!
It’s time to reciprocate with our own tariffs on products from the Peoples Republic. I believe we should start with a 200% tariff on motor vehicles from China.
Reasons? We’ll just ask the owners of Chinese vehicles. There are many, many complaints of sub standard materials not to mention reliability.
Third reason just might be that two can play at the same game!
Lying back & taking the punishment will only encourage more attacks on our economy!
I agree, Graham, but I would much prefer it if Australia found alternative markets – permanently!
Alternatively we could relabel all Australian wines with NZ labels and use NZ as the Middle Man in Wine Sales.
I think Abbott had the right idea when he suggested we use exactly the same trade “terms and conditions” on them as they use on us. Curiosity has seen me comparing the prices of similar quality chinese electronics to Korean, Malaysian etc. The large price difference has narrowed and is not the deal maker it used to be. So why are we not treating chinese electronics to the same tariffs they put on our wines”. And MG (Morris Garage) cars , LDV ( Leyland Daf Vans) , Fisher and Paykel, was NZ now chinese apparently, same deal.
The trouble is with a list like this its going ot be near impossible unless there is a policy that government had in place that banned South African companies during the Apatheid movement.
BMW Brilliance Auto (BMW-Brilliance), BAIC (BAIC – BMW)
Fiat GAC Fiat Chrysler, BAIC (BAIC FCA Automobile Co. Ltd)
Ford Changan Ford FAW
General Motors (GM) SAIC, FAW, GAC (GAC Chevrolet Opel Motors Co.Ltd)
Honda GAC (Guangqi Honda), Dongfeng Motor Group (Dongfeng Honda)
Hyundai BAIC, Great Wall (Great Wall-Hyundai Motors Co.Ltd)
Jaguar Land Rover Chery (Chery Jaguar Land Rover)
Kia Dongfeng Motor Corporation (Dongfeng Yueda Kia) GAC (GAC Hafei Kia Motors Co Ltd.)
Mazda FAW, Changan
Mercedes-Benz BAIC (Beijing-Benz), BYD (Denza)
Mitsubishi Soueast, GAC (GAC-Mitsubishi)
Nissan Dongfeng Motor Group (Dongfeng Motor Co., Ltd.), BAIC Group (BAIC Nissan)
Peugeot Dongfeng Motor Group, Great.Wall (Great Wall Peugeot Citroën Co. Ltd)
Renault Dongfeng Motor Group, FAW (FAW Renault Nissan Motors Co. Ltd)
Suzuki Changan, Dongfeng Motor Group
Toyota GAC (GAC-Toyota), FAW
Volkswagen SAIC, FAW (FAW-Volkswagen), GAC
Isuzu JMCG, JIM, GAC
Also some Volvo models
Not surprisingly Anna Pallychook has just placed Greater Brisbane under a 3 day lockdown just before Easter. (From 5 pm Monday 29th). Many people said she would, because she can.
And when I look at the restrictions WA is now enforcing (2 week quarantine for arrivals) it’s not worth travelling anymore.
I feel so sorry for those small businesses that have been destroyed this last year and this lifestyle of lockdowns without warning is here to stay.
I thought the so-called vaccine was meant to alleviate this, or does it not work at all, or is it the thin edge of the wedge to make vaccinations compulsary?
Welcome to a taste of the old Soviet Bloc countries. This virus is never going to go away for the ‘flu or the common cold never has, and so the premiers and even the feds can use it as a handy excuse to shut down or curtail normal activities whenever they choose, tilt, game over. By now any logical person would opine that mass extinction hasn’t taken place and the excuse of –we locked everyone up and look at the wonderful results– won’t work for statistics from a few other countries prove that and the authorities know that so what to do for they can’t stand up and say –we buggered it all up, sorry– for they would lose face. The farce will continue until we are like Venezuela and very soon now since they have stopped throwing taxpayers money around, things are going to get bloody tough.
Noticed the latest indigineous your mob ad where their health services are “culturally sensitive”.
You are shown coloured health professionals, doctors, nurses and dentists among a few. Not one Greek Italian, English, Irish or any other ‘whitie’.
apparently only those employed are understanding their ‘plight’.
This is more racists bull5hit that continues the hatred and gap widening. Their kids are now being exposed and indoctrinated via TV ads now to never trust a white person. Will we get the point now where offended whites will tell them to go to their ‘appropriate’ health professionals?
Sickening racist garbage!
Not unrelated – from Scottie from Marketing: Andrew Laming’s replacement MUST be a womyn. God help us, if she was another Amanda Stoker, by all means put her up, not because she’s a womyn, but because she’s the best. But you know and I know, the Libs will find some jobsworth female purely because she’s female and (of course) as Leftie/LINO as they can possibly get away with.
What we’re seeing under Scott Morrison is are-run of the Billy MacMahon government – the one that pushed Australia into the disastrous Whitlam ‘gunmmit’.
We’re under another effing lock-down in Brisbane again.
I have come to the conclusion (for the first time in my life ever) that I am going to vote Labor at the next Federal election.
At least we may get cooperation between the Labor States and Federal Labor with regard to unity on border closures. Morrison ( and Jenny and the kids) clearly can’t cut it.
At least we won’t be disappointed any longer by the betrayals and confusion wrought by the current ‘Pretend’ Liberals, the LINOs.
There are no policy differences anymore so might as well salvage something from the wreckage on borders opening and closings
Have been contemplating on P.M. Morrisons achievements since he became P.M. and have come to the conclusion that his only achievement has been to improve his retirement pension payout.
You have not done much research then?
Mate, saw graft and corruption first hand as a government employee for the last twelve years of my working life and actually despised most of the politicians I hauled around but I represented the Crown that sat on the top of my wings and thus had to carry out the duties of a Crown representative no matter how much I despised the bastards.
Agreed Bots: The sooner ScoMo is gone the better, time for Peter Dutton to take the reins of power to get this nation moving again.
Do you want to understand who Australia has lost most of manufacturing industry?
So Each Way Albo would re-introduce manufacturing? Even build Electric Vehicles and batteries, with taxpayer (ours) subsidies from taxes.
Don’t know how Union controlled Labor would achieve that, their motor vehicle manufacturing schemes failed, and then they had the hide to blame Abbott and Hockey for the end of motor vehicle manufacturing here, ignoring that Australia is uncompetitive, has a very small market, Unions, etc.
But never mention Whitlam Labor and the UN Lima Declaration 1975.
So where to now?
The NSW government has handed The Turd a job, dovetailing the othe Gangrene, Matt Keane.
This is the leaking anti-LNP GAYBC luvvie that hates Conservatism. I despise paper shuffling multi- millionaires because we all know they produce zilch and live by corruption for pay offs.
Meanwhile “Born Lucky” is now on the Board of a solar energy business in WA planning to sell electricity offshore.
Andrew “Twiggy” Forest is a major shareholder.
Hopefully Peter Dutton will take with him the knowledge from Home Affairs when next visiting the naval bases under the command of Capt. Mona Shindy.
The naval captain that should have been unceremoniously thrown overboard for her comments on the them PM Abbott.
Anyone else would have been given short change and dishonourably discharged.
She, I believe still needs monitoring with her Islamic leanings.
Interestingly, did you know she never wore the rag but was encouraged under the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd leadership to do so as an exercise in recruiting Muslims to Defence. And she’s never looked back and wears it with sniggering pride.
The Disaster Relief Fund that Labor MPs have claimed is not being spent was not meant to be a short term disaster specific fund.
Like the Future Fund it is designed to accumulate earnings or revenue that can in future be used for disaster relief, Future Fund revenue is used to pay for public service pensions and remove the need for financial year budget provisions.
I have contacted Alan Jones.
The Emergency Response Fund (ERF) was established on the commencement of the Emergency Response Fund Act 2019 (ERF Act), on 12 December 2019. On establishment, the ERF was credited with the uncommitted balance of the Education Investment Fund, which has now been closed.
The ERF allows the Government to draw up to $200 million in any given year, beyond what is already available to fund emergency response and natural disaster recovery and preparedness, where it determines the existing recovery and resilience-building programs are insufficient to provide an appropriate response to natural disasters.
DT, if you have not done so already, can I suggest you stand for Parliament as a Liberal Party candidate? Preferably in a safe Liberal seat. You do a far better job pushing – and explaining – Liberal policies than any of the current mob in Canberra.
If I was running a company and had Scottie as my Marketing manager, I’d have the headhunters out to find me a replacement.
Thank you Cliff, I have grown up close to politics and politicians and know what being involved, as compared to being a passenger career seeker, is about, and it’s not for me, I chose the world of business.
As for the Labor label “Scotty from Marketing”, he was never a marketing guy, but as senior executives often are, he was involved in what sales and marketing people presented to their clients.
After graduating from university, Morrison worked as national policy and research manager for the Property Council of Australia from 1989 to 1995. He then moved into tourism, serving as Deputy Chief Executive of the Australian Tourism Task Force and then general manager of the Tourism Council of Australia; the latter was managed by Bruce Baird, whom he would eventually succeed in federal parliament.
In 1998, Morrison moved to New Zealand to become director of the newly created Office of Tourism and Sport. He formed a close relationship with New Zealand’s tourism minister, Murray McCully, and was involved with the creation of the long-running “100% Pure New Zealand” campaign. He left this position in 2000, a year before the contract schedule.
Morrison returned to Australia in 2000, to become state director of the Liberal Party of Australia (New South Wales Division). He oversaw the party’s campaigns in the 2001 federal election and in the 2003 New South Wales state election.
PM Howard was never “Little” (5’10” tall) and PM Abbott was never a “Monk” let alone “Mad”.
As for explaining policies and defending positions and members, I agree that Labor out guns the Coalition, in fact the subject of Fund is a good example, they send their foot soldiers out to deceive, and in this example Alan Jones apparently did not check the Labor claim.
I just wish that I could get the same interest rate that gave the govt. the several hundred million in interest on that fund for 200K invested in a term deposit from the sale of another asset was just on $64 for the month just ending. A carton of beer and a flagon of chateau cardboard.
The Futures Fund established by PM Howard and Treasurer Costello has consistently achieved high interest earnings since it was started with $60 billion and now well exceeds $120 billion last time I looked. And with due consideration for the funding of public service pensions from revenue, obviously much less than what the fund earns.
However, it is a “sovereign fund” and meant to be forever funding public service liabilities.
As the latest Emergency Response Fund is for national emergencies in future, something people like Alan Jones have been demanding!!!
The Education Fund was also established when Future Fund was established, but note that it was moved into the new ERF. No doubt Gonski Education Grants that Labor introduced, BUT NEVER FUNDED, same at their NDIS that was left to the Abbott Government to also fund after September 2013. Another never given credit for achievement by the Coalition. After all, THEIR ABC and other left leaning media will not do the Coalition favours.
But they will deceive people with false information, like ERF claims.
Perhaps, just perhaps, ScoMo is finally getting the message.
Quoting ScoMo: “As the COVID-19 pandemic has shown, having the ability for self-reliance be it vaccine development or the defence of Australia, is vital to meeting our own requirements in a changing global environment,” Mr Morrison said in a statement ahead of the announcement.
Well, well, well, ScoMo, now that is the first step, now how about a step for ALL Australians, bring back our self reliance as a whole nation, that is by facilitating the return of manufacturing to Australia for a starters.
To make Australia more secure and self reliant has been a Morrison Government objective, often stated, since at least 2020 but I recall earlier comments regarding our defence and vulnerability, or security.
Too many policy statements are ignored by the left leaning media and Their ABC, or distorted and misrepresented.
The Federal Government does however realise that there are many hurdles to overcome, and that basic manufacturing cannot be revived, Australia is not a competitive country for production lines like motor vehicle manufacturing, unionism, high wages by comparison with competitors, small domestic market and other problems.
However, Australia does manufacture, several defence industry manufacturers in specialised areas. The new Australian Boeing and RAAF Loyal Wingman drone aircraft that will fly alongside RAAF F-35 Lightning and F-18 Super Hornet (and other aircraft as needed) are an example of specialisation. Loyal Wingman developed here will be produced in other F-35 JSF client countries once ready for service.
The Morrison Government investment in Space Technology in Australia is part of the US Space programme, our engineers participating. But many posts I read scoffed at this one, as poorly informed people tend to do. I’ll bet they know nothing about mining Helium-3 on the Moon and plans for Mars.
There is much more.
Like the Agreement signed with the US providing Australia with unlimited access to US oil storage reserves, and plans here to revive oil refining for strategic security purposes.
By the way, I was reading a report on our RAAF capabilities, did you know that the F-18 Super Hornets and Growler version F-18 were purchased as a gap filler until F-35 was delivered. Now having disposed of the classic Hornet F/A-18s the RAAF intends to keep the Super Hornets and add more or replace them after 2035 with another lower flying cost and purchase cost last generation fighter, F-35 is new generation.
And it is acknowledged that drones like Loyal Wingman will play increasingly bigger roles in RAAF activities. Just as drone submarines will be added to the Shortfin Barracuda fleet.
The Howard Government decided to increase spending on Defence but Rudd and Gillard Labor cut that spending. The Abbott Government increased spending and recently the Morrison Government committed to more increased spending, for obvious reasons in Asia Pacific Region.
People claim that F-35 is a failure, that the USAF is buying F-16s and that proves it. No it doesn’t, F-35 is not a fighter of the old school, it’s a stealth platform that has multiple roles and capabilities including bringing down enemy aircraft from over the horizon. But they are a high cost asset so a lower cost aircraft for general duties makes good sense.
And with regard for submarines, the world leading Collins Class RAN Submarines will serve for at least another couple of decades, they are perfect for Australian and Asia Pacific operations, shallow oceans and deep trenches.
DT is right. Our policy should not be isolation but diversification.
Many people would disagree with your view of the F-35 DT but only time and a very large amount of money will prove you right or wrong. They also cost 36K an hour to run and so if you are doing circuit training of “touch and go’s” at about six minutes a “go” in a jet the cost of each circuit is $3,600, and then the stealth paint wears off after a bit of flying, stuff like that. Then of course for every hour flown the things need about 50 maintenance hours because you can’t walk around one, kick the tyres, look up the jet pipe for Indian Mynah bird nests, kick er in the guts and blast off. That show on channel 24 last night showed the RAAF as a bunch of people, some of whom were talking about LGBT or whatever the bloody hell it’s called for they are, was disgusting, and this old bloke taught to fly by RAAF instructors and taught the aspects of his trade by ex bomber command pilots, had to walk away shaking his head in sorrow.
Of course F-35 Lightning was never meant to be a “dog fighter” aircraft, but apparently it can and as the pilot explains, as time moves on and pilots learn more about how to best use F-35 who knows what it might do.
Loyal Wingman drone did not get designed and built by accident, it was part of the Joint Strike Fighter programme future, Boeing Australia and the RAAF have been in cooperation and the design will be used in other JSF user nations. The fighter drones concept many have claimed make stealth piloted aircraft obsolete, maybe in the future, but in between times the “mother ship” piloted F-35 or other is a significant addition to airforce versatility and capabilities.
If you’re referring to recent reports about F-35s having their coatings bubble and blister at supersonic speeds, that’s just due to heat melting and causing thermal strain on the coatings and skin. You can find more on that particular issue here and here.
As for other parts of the aircraft; stealth coatings generally bubble when they experience delamination, where the coating is beginning to separate from the underlying skin of the jet. This is generally not caused by flexing and bending of the aircraft, but rather by abrasion / physical damage combined with corrosion and exposure to the elements.
In the case of the F-35, the only locations that I’ve seen bubbling appear is on the F-35 canopy’s frame:
In general, the F-35 is less susceptible to delamination of its stealth coatings compared to previous stealth aircraft, partially due to its more advanced coating materials, but also due to the incorporation of a “fiber mat” technology.
In those previous stealth aircraft, a radar opaque / radar reflective compound would be applied between the carbon composite skin and the radar absorbent coating. The purpose of this layer is to prevent radar energy leaking through the composite skin and reflecting off unstealthy internal components, as well as to make things like rivets not present a difference in electrical impedance, which could lead to radar scattering.
The problem however is that these compounds are supposedly not very reactive, meaning that they only form weak bonds with the skin of the jet. When that conductive base layer starts to come loose, so does the skin, resulting in wrinkling, peeling, bubbling, etc.
Where that before-mentioned “fiber mat” technology comes into play is in replacing that conductive base layer with some kind of carbon fiber matting that’s integrated into the very carbon composite that the skin is made of. This fiber mat produces a similar or identical functionality without creating a layer that easily comes loose.
Where this all becomes relevant to the F-35’s canopy however is that composites are not ideal for load-bearing, thin structures that are exposed to compression and shear stress. In English, this means that composites aren’t an ideal material to make the canopy frame out of. As a result, it’s possible that Lockheed didn’t utilise this same carbon fiber mat composite in the canopy frame. The two diagrams below show this frame being made out of either aluminium or some other material that isn’t carbon/epoxy or carbon/BMI composite (epoxy and BMI are glues / resins).
And so, if Lockheed was unable to use fiber matting technology in the canopy, this could cause increased delamination / bubbling in the coatings.
Furthermore, canopies in general are prone to this kind of delamination as the coatings are required to come to an edge. Not an edge of a panel where the coating can over the edge and continue, but an edge where it’s possible for dust, water, air and other substances to penetrate under the coating, degrading the adhesives used and again causing delamination.
No point arguing DT although it’s enjoyable and makes an old mans mind work, but let’s wait for a few years and see what happens? I hope it’s not too long for at four score years I don’t have a lot of time left to abuse politicians and their ilk. I have a good mate who was an ex RAAF test pilot ere being an international airline pilot who flew everything the RAAF had and he waxes and wanes on some of the equipment and particularly on the people pulling the strings.
There’s and tru-ism in Aviation that goes all the way back to WW1. “If it looks good, it’ll fly well.”
Think any of the classic fighters from the Sopwith Camel through to the Mustang, Sabre and F15.
The F35 does NOT “look good”.
Unscientific, I know, but if fear that with the F35, that old tru-ism holds true.
Yairs, consider the Bristol Freighter for they were so ugly we were only game to fly them at night time, and even then we opined that we should wear a disguise. Another one is noise for it used to be equated to speed and once again a Bristol comes to mind for it made lots of that and did 145 knots on a good day with the light behind it, plus of course a Jetstream put paid to both myths for they looked nice, made lots of noise, and were a dog in the speed department! When you were next in line to Concorde and they lined up and opened the schedule adjustment levers the Earth shook, the hairs on the back of yr neck stood up, and yr skin tingled. What an aeroplane.
I never had the pleasure of experiencing a Concord passenger flight but my parents did and they were very impressed with aircraft.
There are a couple of new designs being considered including flight into space and return taking advantage of Earth’s rotation to cut flight time, New York to London 30 minutes not including take off and landing.
DT, re your space-flight-rotation remarks, I read years ago about a proposal for a “semi-ballistic” type, where the aircraft did just that; rocket up, and unpowered glide in, with the absolutely necessary requirement of clear air and runway confirmed before take-off.
So you did not read this pilot experience in an F-35?
I posted it above earlier.
DT, think about it: what pilots actually get to fly an aircraft like the F35? 99.9999% – no, let’s be realistic, 100% – of them have a vested interest in either selling the product or cementing their careers within the military by agreeing with the opinions of the senior officers they report to.
So I’m afraid I don’t place too much credence in pilot reports.
It’s got some seriously good kit in it. No one would disagree with that. And as part – stress that word – ‘PART’ of a varied range of aircraft fielded by a large air force like the USAF, it has a role. But for a very small force like the RAAF, it has serious shortcomings because the RAAF lacks the other assets to protect it.
Because it can’t always protect itself.
Cliff, F-35 is in fact exactly what a country positioned where Australia is needs, a multi-task flying platform of computer technology, surveillance, jamming technology (growler), weapons, etc.
And now the Loyal Wingman RAAF-Boeing development drone fighter that will fly alongside on missions, two or more with each F-35, or other type of RAAF aircraft.
As for “other assets”, another media does not report decision is to keep the 30 or so F-18 Super Hornets until around 2035 and to evaluate and select the replacement. A lower cost, cheaper to operate, back up. And Loyal Wingman drones.
The F/A-18 Classic Hornets have been sold to US private sector firms.
I read that F-35 provides F-18 and F-111 capabilities plus more.
I just watched Peta Credlin present a segment concerning the current Labor Party Conference. It was (as you would expect) an excellent exposure of the stealth Labor are using to win the next election. I watched it on my mobile but I can’t find it on youtube.
The heading is:-
‘Labor Party repositioning itself amid torrid months for Coalition: Peta Credlin.- it’s a massive warning shot across the bows of the Coalition by Peta Credlin as she reveals some of the weaknesses of Labor’s Plans.
worth a look if you can find it – question is – will the Liberals listen?
Dunno what constraints MM places on we peasants about cutting and pasting, but it looks as if the government are going to try enforcing a covid-19 vaccine passport on us so the link below allows one to sign a petition against it.
Sign the petition to federal parliament to prevent rolling out of discriminatory vaccine passports
by Editor, cairnsnews
Thank you Bots: Petition duly signed. 38,149 signed up already! This petition could develop into a biggie, I sure hope it does.
Me too PP and as the ex KGB rep opined as she added her signature, “welcome to the new Soviet Union, they don’t know what they are about and we will all suffer”
An intelligent 15 year old young lady confides personal information with a far older male. She willingly drinks alcohol with him on a regular basis and engages in sexual activity with him on over 30 occasions. He, quite correctly, should be punished for this activity. Sadly 99% of males who would never do this and support females cop the endless, agressive denegration piled on by uninformed, rabid activists suggesting otherwise. It is time the lies stopped.
….and the pathetic TV promo call it what you want asks when will it end. Well you ding bats it will end when all other human flaws end. That includes female stupidity also.
The Sunday Mail reports that the government are going to spend 2.7 billion on the great barrier reef to protect it from global warming. Morrison just has to go, the sooner the better.
Bots: The idiots in government must have read this item of ‘news’ and decided to chuck even more money into the sea, I wonder whatever happened the $440 million Turnbull chucked into the sea a few years ago?
Agree 100%, ScoMo must go, and soon.
PP, you say “Agree 100%, ScoMo must go, and soon.”
Sadly, unless the Liberals make major changes that history would suggest they are highly unlikely to make, (like returning the Party to something Robert Menzies might recognise), I fear you will get your wish – at the next election, when they’ll be sent packing by the electorate.
Particularly in NSW, the Party has been taken over almost 100% by people who, if they’re not clandestine members of the Labor Party, secretly working to put Labor back into government, they give a damned fine impression of someone doing exactly that.
Oh, and did I say ‘secretly’? Maybe I could safely drop the ‘secretly’.
Cliff: You make sound points.
My fear is should ScoMo not be given the flick very soon and replaced with a ‘true’ conservative – Peter Dutton for example, the representation by conservative MP’s within the parliament will be so greatly diminished post next federal election, it would take a decade or three to re-establish a conservative force in politics.
Yes PP, I think it would be safe to say that we are in furious agreement.
Watching the Liberal Party at the moment is like watching two manoeuvring ships on a collision course. It hasn’t quite happened yet, and perhaps – just perhaps – there’s still time for one to put the engine into full reverse and swing the wheel to avoid impact, but nobody on the bridge watch is willing to tell the captain that impact is inevitable if the current arc is maintained.
Here is the link to the EPAutos site, showing Hiden’s new poofy transport secretary driving to work in an armored Suburban. Not just a normal Suburban. Then Petey switches to a bike with TWO face nappies on to show on a photo op. But gets caught out in the process.
Typical lying political animal, then add into the bunch Puzzleduck in Queensland with her fake jab and all the other so called leaders faking the jab for the cameras.
The con-job of the con-jab has arrived.
aka Pete the buttf*#^er
PP that’s why I call this plandemic conjob19. Some of realize that this is all a conjob.
Liberal MP Dave Sharma says the controversial submarine building program is “on track” and reasonably cost-effective. Australia currently has a contract with French manufacturer Naval Group to convert 12 nuclear submarines to normal diesel engine submarines which are not expected to be ready until around 2035. The Morrison government has appointed two former senior naval officers to review the program, which is running over-budget and set to run over-schedule, according to the Australian Financial Review. Mr Sharma said contrary to popular opinion the Australian government “hasn’t overpaid” when it comes to the submarine contract with the French naval group. “We are getting a capability that doesn’t exist anywhere in the world,” he said. “We are basically building a long-range stealth capability using conventional engines for a submarine.”
There will be many ex-submariners who would be rolling on the ground in fits of laughter at Sharma’s ridiculous comments. As I have said many times, give a project to a politician and you will end up with a gigantic stuff up.
If the Libs go ahead with this submarine purchase in its present form, the one thing Australia will NOT have is any number of ex-submariners among our veteran ranks should we ever go to war again.
I agree 100% with your first sentence, Albert.
Then you are unaware that politicians take advice from experts, RAN for Submarines and others technically qualified to advise Ministers?
Former Labor Minister Richo has spoken about the lack of expertise around most Cabinet tables and how Ministers rely on expert outside advice.
Read the link I posted below about the RAN Shortfin Barracuda advanced next generation Submarine.
By the way, in my life experiences ex-anything tend to lose track of technology developments over time after retiring, and of course few outside of the Confidential Information and Top Secret access channels know what is latest design and technology.
Looks like the BOM are maintaining their batting average so far for we haven’t been flushed clean away, and as one took the daily thirst generating toddle in cloud for the “new” selection is elevated at 2000′ AMSL, one pondered on PP’s good fortune of accumulated bird ordure etc. and 18.5 mm of H20 as against our total of 13mm here closer in. I remembered the Airport Groundsman at Coen where they have been known to get the odd drop or two, so much so that the rainfall was measured in a galvanised tub suitably graduated, reported that he estimated that sixteen inches had fallen overnight but it was a hot morning and his two “dawgs” had probably drunk and inch or two because they had got through the small fence surround the rain gauge, and wondered if the bloody ant present in our rain gauge had guzzled a point or so last night to lower our reading.
I see the MSM and woke morons are beside themselves heaping false praise on the women’s cricket team. Having suffered through small bouts of watching the brain freezing crap dished up as sport with the women’s cricket one wonders what low bar these observers set. Seriously, to watch slow speed full tosses and mid pitch rolly bouncers popped up that any 5 year old could hit is appalling. And then the brain dead giggles as ‘fielders’ ,or whatever they are pretending to be, dropping dead set sitting catches all lovingly praised by greasy ,woke commentators is as much as a bloke can take. Absolute childish, amateurish crap wrapped up as some sporting achievement because they manage to beat similarly, talentless women from other teams or countries. The men’s cricket is bad enough but this garbage takes the cake.
Solution is easy, in the name of equality combine all men’s and wimin’s sport – no more ‘gender’ separation. Pretty soon wimin would all become spectators as NONE of them would ever compete again at the elite level in cricket, golf, tennis, athletics, swimming – the list goes on.
The only exception is netball. I love watching those little skirts.
You have a point Sir Peter. 🙂
NOTE: There is a ban on Nuclear Energy in Australia and it is highly unlikely that a repeal would pass through both Houses of Parliament, in fact recently a NSW Government proposal to mine Uranium in NSW was defeated.
Former Major General, Senator Jim Moylan angrily explained on Sky News frustrated with the know littles who continue to parrot use Nuclear as a demand, and criticism of the Federal Government.
He also repeated his comment of months ago that the ADF procurement programme is resulting in world leading assets acquisition.
My research revealed that Nuclear Submarines are not necessarily superior, it’s a matter of operational task focus, but ignoring propulsion systems it’s the design and technology including weapons systems that counts.
Maybe this article will be of interest here;
By the way, the Sydney Lucas Heights Nuclear Reactor has operated safely since the 1950s producing Radio Isotopes for medical and commercial uses, I used to buy them from The Australian Atomic Energy Commission decades ago to fill export orders.
The ban on Nuclear here exempted Lucas Heights.
David Crisafulli has slammed Steven Miles, saying he lacks the “intellectual capacity” to be an “attack dog” amid an ongoing war of words around the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine in the parliament today.
The choice of David Crisafulli is a good one, he is up there in parliament, roasting the Labor prized goose, Steven Miles. If ScoMo wants an example of leadership, then take a look at David Crisafulli’s performance.
All the Queensland LNP need now, is the full clean out of the administrative dead-wood residing in the LNP, and then and only then, will Queensland actually have an effective opposition.
Well done David Crisafulli.
The full report is paywalled in The Courier Mail.
Miles is not impressive is he, a dill in my opinion.
My builder son told me that he heard Premier Chook call the NSW contact tracing “that app thingy” …. they make a great act of Dumb and Dumber.
It is said that in the not distant future drones will take over from humans, lie the Boeing Loyal Wingman soon to fly alongside RAAF aircraft and no doubt advance to solo or group missions as drones.
Boeing Loyal Wingman drones are being adopted by most if not all of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter operator countries.
I understand that there is research underway for drones to operate with manned submarines like the next generation advanced RAN Shortfin Barracuda Submarines on order.
It is interesting to check from time to time what assets our ADF have now.
I see the ongoing Higgins accusations circus has attracted support from non other than, wait for it, comedian Magda Szubanski. She who is the rather large lesbian loudmouth who isn’t, and never has been, comedic other than unintentionally or otherwise sprouting puerile garbage. And no, being in a film with a pig doesn’t count, sorry, as the pig was by far the stand out talent. I guess when you contribute nothing, are nothing and never will be anything you list your job as comedian and offer drivel. Truly funny comedians, as rare as they are, must feel sick watching these imposters.
Ahh, but doancha know that Magda’s Dad was a trained assassin before he came to Oz? ( I learned this in one of my unwilling if infrequent forays into ABCland when the trouble and strife insists on watching ‘Australian Story’.)
I must say that I too have generally found myself underwhelmed by Magda’s comedic genius.
You got that right, Dave.
Malcolm Bligh Turnbull
9 December 2009
While a shadow minister, Tony Abbott, was never afraid of speaking bluntly in a manner that was at odds with Coalition policy.
So as I am a humble backbencher I am sure he won’t complain if I tell a few home truths about the farce that the Coalition’s policy, of lack of policy, on climate change has descended into.
First, lets get this straight. You cannot cut emissions without a cost. To replace dirty coal fired power stations with cleaner gas fired ones, or renewables like wind let alone nuclear power or even coal fired power with carbon capture and storage is all going to cost money.
To get farmers to change the way they manage their land, or plant trees and vegetation all costs money.
Somebody has to pay.
So any suggestion that you can dramatically cut emissions without any cost is, to use a favourite term of Mr Abbott, “bullshit.” Moreover he knows it.
The whole argument for an emissions trading scheme as opposed to cutting emissions via a carbon tax or simply by regulation is that it is cheaper – in other words electricity prices will rise by less to achieve the same level of emission reductions.
The term you will see used for this is “least cost abatement”.
It is not possible to criticise the new Coalition policy on climate change because it does not exist. Mr Abbott apparently knows what he is against, but not what he is for.
Second, as we are being blunt, the fact is that Tony and the people who put him in his job do not want to do anything about climate change. They do not believe in human caused global warming. As Tony observed on one occasion “climate change is crap” or if you consider his mentor, Senator Minchin, the world is not warming, its cooling and the climate change issue is part of a vast left wing conspiracy to deindustrialise the world.
Now politics is about conviction and a commitment to carry out those convictions. The Liberal Party is currently led by people whose conviction on climate change is that it is “crap” and you don’t need to do anything about it. Any policy that is announced will simply be a con, an environmental figleaf to cover a determination to do nothing. After all, as Nick Minchin observed, in his view the majority of the Party Room do not believe in human caused global warming at all. I disagree with that assessment, but many people in the community will be excused for thinking the leadership ballot proved him right.
Remember Nick Minchin’s defense of the Howard Government’s ETS was that the Government was panicked by the polls and therefore didn’t really mean it.
Tony himself has in just four or five months publicly advocated the blocking of the ETS, the passing of the ETS, the amending of the ETS and if the amendments were satisfactory passing it, and now the blocking of it.
His only redeeming virtue in this remarkable lack of conviction is that every time he announced a new position to me he would preface it with “Mate, mate, I know I am a bit of a weather vane on this, but…..”
Third, there is a major issue of integrity at stake here and Liberals should reflect very deeply on it. We have an Opposition whose current leadership dismisses the Howard Government’s ETS policy as being just a political ploy. We have an Opposition Leader who has in the space of a few months held every possible position on the issue, each one contradicting the position he expressed earlier. And finally we have an Opposition which negotiated amendments to the Rudd Government’s ETS, then reached agreement on those amendments and then, a week later, reneged on the agreement.
Many Liberals are rightly dismayed that on this vital issue of climate change we are not simply without a policy, without any prospect of having a credible policy but we are now without integrity. We have given our opponents the irrefutable, undeniable evidence that we cannot be trusted.
Not that anyone would doubt it, but I will be voting for the ETS legislation when it returns in February and if my colleagues have any sense they will do so as well
Published at Michael Smith News
When you get a moment open the recent photo of Jill and Joe with the Easter bunny at the White House where Jill is waving. Check out her bare right under arm in detail. Now try and guess the number of facelifts. 🙂
Call up the Sydney Morning Herald but don’t read any of the articles, just read the headlines to each article. In a very short interval of time you will understand why this world is stark raving mad. The SMH, like all other MSM outlets, is openly practising the old mushroom strategy, ie, “Keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit”.
It would not work if more people/voters were better informed and could like you work out the mushroom food.
Just found a good example at Breitbart website …
PolitiFact, a dishonest and discredited left-wing fact checker, can only bring itself to admit video of Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) that was deliberately and maliciously edited by the long-discredited 60 Minutes, “could constitute deceptive editing.”
“The ’60 Minutes’ segment omits some of the background on why Florida partnered with Publix to distribute coronavirus vaccines. That omission could constitute ‘deceptive editing,’ as some social media users have claimed,” the far-left PolitiFact wrote on Wednesday (I don’t link to fake news).
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