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 Fires: Barnaby Joyce unloads on the Greens

12.11.19. Who shall forget the Victorian Black Saturday fires in February 2009 that killed 180 people and burned 450,000 hectares (1,100,000 acres). Thousands of farm animals perished in the 400 fires at that time. The RSPCA estimated that over a million animals also perished. David Packham, bushfire expert and research fellow at Monash University, argued that high fuel loads in bushland led to the destructive intensity of the fires, saying that, “There has been total mismanagement of the Australian forest environment.” He cautiously did not name the Greens, but the lessons were not heeded by the Greens as we see now in Queensland and NSW.
On Saturday Greens Leader Richard Di Natale said, while he is saddened by the loss of life from bushfires in NSW and Queensland, “thoughts and sympathies are not enough”. Dr Di Natale said for decades it has been known that burning climate changing fossil fuels would lead to more frequent and intense bushfires.In the subsequent inquiry into the Victorian Black Saturday 2009 it wasn’t climate change which killed so many, nor was it arsonists, although a few were arrested, it was the unstoppable intensity of a bushfire gorging its way through huge quantities of ground fuel that had been allowed to accumulate over many years. It was also the power of Green’s ideology ensconced in local government that opposed most if not all attempts to reduce fuel hazards as a mitigation measure. At the time there was much talk about holding the bloody Greens to account—but they slithered out of that like sewer rats down a drain!

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Source: Greg Brown, Olivia Caisley, News Corp

Greens policies increasing bushfire threat, Barnaby Joyce says

Barnaby Joyce says the policies of the Greens have increased the bushfire threat, as he claims a lack of hazard reduction burning has helped fuel fires in regional NSW and Queensland.
The former deputy prime minister said “people are once again talking about indigenous land management” because there were too many regulations around controlled burning ahead of bushfire season.
“The problems we have got have been created by the Greens,” Mr Joyce told The Australian.
“We haven’t had the capacity to easily access (hazard) reduction burns because of all of the paperwork that is part of green policy.
“We don’t have access to dams because they have been decommissioned on national parks because of green policy. We have trees that have fallen over vehicles and block roads, so people cannot either get access to fight a fire or to get away from fires. And we can’t knock over the trees because of Greens policy.
“So many of the practicalities of fighting a fire and managing it have been stymied by the Greens.
“A lot of people are talking once more about indigenous land management because they didn’t have to go through 1001 reports that they have to go through today.”
Mr Joyce said it was “infuriating” the Greens were attempting to score political points by saying the government’s “inaction” on climate change had contributed to the fires that have killed three people.
He said climate change action in Australia would do nothing to reduce the bushfire risk unless there was also action taken by China, India and the United States.
“There is nothing we have done in the Australian parliament that has brought about the absolute devastation on so many people’s lives,” Mr Joyce said.
“The only reason you are driving this agenda is for your own political purpose. Even if it were to succeed it would have, by itself, absolutely no effect.
“You need China to actually comply with it, which they don’t have to do until 2030, you need India to comply with it which they don’t have to do until 2030, you need America to sign up to it, which they never did.“
Deputy Nationals Leader Bridget McKenzie has accused the Greens of exploiting the misery of fire-affected communities for their political advantage, as large tracts of New South Wales burn and as the state braces itself for “catastrophic” fire conditions on Tuesday.
Senator McKenzie told Question Time on Monday there was no denying climate change was causing heatwaves and intensifying fire conditions, but argued the Morrison government was the first to put any “real money on the table” to help prepare for the next drought.
“We know that climate change is causing heatwaves, fire weather and drought to become more frequent and intense,” Senator McKenzie said. “That is why we have a raft of measures across government to actually deal with this.”
She said the most recent Agriculture Ministers’ Forum had developed a range of plans to tackle climate change.
“I recommend you read that document before standing up here and somehow using the misery of those who are in regional New South Wales and Queensland to your political advantage.”
Labor Senator Penny Wong said the immediate focus should be on firefighters battling the blazes, as well as people at risk and those grieving lost loved ones.
“But I will say, it is the responsible thing to when we are through this current crisis, to focus on what we have to do to keep Australians safe,” she told parliament.
“When I was climate minister, scientists were already warning of more intense fire seasons. Regrettably, these warnings have been proved correct.”
Greens Senator Larissa Waters echoed her colleague Adam Bandt’s sentiment that “thoughts and prayers” were not enough to combat worsening fire conditions.
She told the Senate that scientists had been advising governments since 2006 about climate change and its contribution to increased fire risk.
“We’re already in the future,” she said. “They told us the fire season would extend and the window for crucial prescribed burning would narrow. What Australian climate scientists predicted in 2006 has come to pass and governments have had every opportunity to act and have failed.”
Senator Waters said the government’s “complete lack of climate policy” was simply pouring fuel on these fires and making them more likely and more intense.
“The question for us is whether this parliament will continue to fail those comments communities,” she said.
Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack has lashed the “disgraceful, disgusting” behaviour of “raving inner-city lunatics” for linking climate change to the ferocious bushfires burning across Queensland and NSW.
Speaking on ABC Radio on Monday Mr McCormack said Australia had experienced bushfires since “time began” and defended the Morrison government’s decision not to meet with senior fire and emergency service leaders that have demanded action on climate change.
It comes as firefighters across Sydney and NSW brace themselves for predicted “catastrophic” conditions on Tuesday after three people were killed and 150 homes were destroyed over the weekend.
“What people need now is a little bit of sympathy, understanding and real assistance, they need help, they need shelter,” Michael McCormack told ABC Radio on Monday.
“They don’t need the ravings of some pure, enlightened and woke capital city greenies at this time when they’re trying to save their homes.”
Mr McCormack said it was “disgraceful” for Greens leader Richard Di Natale and his party colleague Adam Bandt to use the bushfires to score political points. He said he found it “galling” when people raised climate change in relation to bushfires.
But Mr Bandt told reporters in Canberra on Monday Mr McCormack was a “dangerous fool” who was putting lives at risk through inaction on climate change.
“Thoughts and prayers are not enough, we need science and action too,” Mr Bandt told reporters. “They’ve done everything in their power to make these catastrophic fires more likely.
“When you cuddle coal in Canberra, the rest of the country burns.”
Agriculture Minister David Littleproud defended his colleague on Monday, telling ABC News Mr McCormack was trying his best to get results for the communities that have been impacted.
“Let’s have those conversations in the cold, hard light of day after the event,” Mr Littleproud said of climate change’s contribution to the inferno. “But our focus and energy should be on the men and women fighting these fires and also the state, federal government and local, men and women, and children who are at risk.”
Glen Innes Severn council mayor Carol Sparks blasted Mr McCormack on Monday, telling ABC News the Deputy Prime Minister needed to listen to the science.
“Well, I probably couldn’t respond how I really feel on television but I think that Michael McCormack needs to read the science,” she said. “And that is what I am going by, the science. It is not a political thing. It is a scientific fact that we are going through climate change.”
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian, who has declared a state of emergency across the state over the next seven days, said that while there was “no doubt” drought had contributed, she cautioned against politicising the situation.
“There is no doubt the deep drought that contributed to the conditions we are seeing but I certainly don’t think it’s appropriate to get into a political argument into what the causes are,” Ms Berejiklian told ABC News Breakfast on Monday.
Labor frontbencher Penny Wong urged the feuding parties to dial down the heated rhetoric and instead engage in a more sensible discussion about bushfire preparedness and climate change.
“When we get through this, it is a responsible thing for us to focus on how we plan to keep Australians safe,” Ms Wong said.
“I’m a former climate minister … warnings about a longer bushfire season and more intense fires have been on the table for a long time.”
Senator Wong said right now the focus needed to be on the affected communities and a debate about the cause of the bushfires could come once the immediate threat eases.

{ 32 comments… add one }
  • luk1955 12/11/2019, 5:21 am

    Too bad the National Farmers Federation has been taken over by the international bank cartel. This is what the NFF should be actioning over. Supporting the farmers to ignore bad advice and do what the farmers think is necessary to preserve the land and animals from bigoted idiots who get their funding from anti people groups.
    We are supposed to have limited government, but we really have unlimited rapacious damaging people hating bureaucraps running the show.

  • C. Paul Barreira 12/11/2019, 6:24 am

    Science? What “science”?

    • Graham Richards 12/11/2019, 9:24 am

      You should all get back to school. Are you not aware that by shutting down mining, coal in particular, Australia will never suffer another bush fire,
      Unicorns will inhabit the lush meadows, the rains will return & there’ll be lasting peace, love & plenty for all in the valley.

      I’ve really got to stop smoking this stuff!!

      • Finn 12/11/2019, 11:42 am

        GARN !

        No. really?

        We have indigenous unicorns?

        Are they green?

  • Popular Front 12/11/2019, 6:35 am

    Pass the parcel, same as every time we have a catastrophe. The arseholes in Canberra all blaming each other and trying to score cheap political points in the media.

    If I had my way I’d roll the APCs across the Parliament House lawns and arrest all of them for ignorance, stupidity and downright treason.

    • ibbit 12/11/2019, 6:37 pm

      Well said. They are at each other’s throats, seeking cheap political points while parts of the Nation burn.
      Nero anyone?

  • Cliff 12/11/2019, 7:06 am

    If history is anything to go by, (and it is), the Greenie local councils will go quiet – for about three months – and then go back to their usual practice of blocking any and every move by landowners to prepare for the next bushfire season, imposing fines and bringing in new rules to obstruct, obstruct and obstruct to ‘protect Gaia’ or the three-toed, one-eyed spotted tree frog or whatever.

    To too many of them, ‘a forest’ – and their understanding of what’s involved in caring for it – is a solitary decorative tree on a paved street of inner suburban terrace houses with a neat concrete gutter around it.

    • Neville 13/11/2019, 1:50 am

      and possibly tied up all pretty-like, with little knitted covers, and jingly little bells.
      What actually IS that crap one sees too often these days, anyway?

  • Jarrah 12/11/2019, 7:16 am

    They need to check history before they spew out their alarmist crap. There have been earlier severe bush fire seasons in previous years, check the records from 1927 onwards. The Greens need a kick to oblivion as their policies and the lack of burning off is a major contributor to this current situation. The Greens are un- Australian fools of the highest order, even the environmentalist who runs the hemp embassy in Nimbin is condemning them, the Greens are also prominent in the National Parks and Wildlife organisation, I say that from personal knowledge. They have no shame or empathy, it is also time to clean out the green scum from local councils.

    • lorraine 12/11/2019, 7:56 am

      sewer rats is the Greens for sure and they have oppose burn offs since the 70’s and so many of the lefty scum are in local councils. I read recently that a farmer was fined because his fire clearing was larger than allowed. RichardDiNatural jumps on his band wagon of C C, no greeny was riding in the fire trucks. His damning of The Government is demented, but a demented fool is who he is…If each of us call him out on the undergrowth and felled trees not being removed because a lizard may live there. Remind him that Lizard was slow to retreat and is now dead along with hundred of other animals domestic and free

    • ibbit 12/11/2019, 6:44 pm

      Local councils have no legal standing under the Constitution I have read, so why not close them down? As for the green scum, we get what the government and opposition foist on us with their preference hunting to gain, or keep power. Greens would not prosper if our voting system were other than it is and if the two big parties trod on them. But the green scum keep the two big parties at heel with threats about preferences.
      They are not governing for the Country, but themselves.

  • Pensioner Pete 12/11/2019, 8:38 am

    Time for a class action against the government and in particular the Greens, sue for billions of dollars, surely there are some solicitors who would do this on a pay if you win basis?

    • Deano 12/11/2019, 5:26 pm

      I’m not sure, but I think unfortunately pollies are immune from legal action for damages due to their policy decisions. The rest of us can be jailed for genuine mistakes even though we don’t have the army of advisors, consultants and researchers that ministers have.

  • Austin Ayforti 12/11/2019, 8:46 am

    McKenzie again…” there was no denying climate change was causing heatwaves and intensifying fire conditions,”…“We know that climate change is causing heatwaves, fire weather and drought to become more frequent and intense,” Senator McKenzie said.
    God give me strength. Another “leader” unable to acknowledge historical weather events or past conventional fire reduction methods.
    Hold the Green scum entirely responsible for the manslaughter and devastation resulting from their policies and influence over the past decade. Lock them away.

    • Aktosplatz 12/11/2019, 10:25 am

      Yes, the Ignorant McKenzie has sold the pass to the enemy (the Greens) by admitting a connection between climate change and the bush-fires.
      It’s summer, you Ignorant Bint! Temperatures get warm in summer.

      Reducing CO2 emissions will not prevent bush-fires, and BTW nor will it affect climate. The money we are wasting on all this BS is nauseating.

      Clearing the bush and controlled back-burning will safeguard against fires, nothing else will.

  • Pepperpete 12/11/2019, 8:48 am

    Anyone asking the question…”Who is lighting these fires?”

    • DT 12/11/2019, 9:07 am

      Climate change freaks?

    • Aktosplatz 12/11/2019, 10:26 am

      Good question Pepperpete.

    • Bushkid 12/11/2019, 12:03 pm

      I’ve been wanting to know that too.

      If it’s a lightning strike or other natural cause, it’s usually stated pretty early on. This time, I can’t recall any causes being attributed so far. Makes you wonder.

      With all the over-excited and even gleeful hype in the media about “catastrophic” conditions, and “unprecedented threats”, you’d have to bet that those individuals with itchy matchbox fingers would be getting excited about the prospect of causing mayhem.

      Nor would I discount the possibility of those anarchists, doomers and true believers in the “climate emergency” being tempted to “help” things along in the public perception stakes by getting creative in such conditions. We’ve seen them willing to arrogantly bring cities to a standstill with their over-dramatic antics; we’ve heard their “demands”; heard them talk the talk about humans being a parasite on the earth and needing to be culled (but not them of course!), about “burning the place down”. With such ravings going unchecked or moderated, who really thinks a few of them might not be encouraged to take the next step?

      That the likes of Bandt and Di Nutali are so indecently and gleefully (and it is gleefully – just look how their eyes light up when saying it, how excited they are by it) peddling the myth about CO2 and “climate change” being responsible for causing the fires is just so disgusting on a level I can’t find words to adequately express.

  • DT 12/11/2019, 8:59 am
  • Albert 12/11/2019, 9:15 am

    Pissants such as Di Natale and that other sickening fool, Bandt are the lowest form of life on this planet and are just too stupid to refer to and understand historical records. Or, is it that they ignore those historical records because they prove, in no uncertain way, what a demented and dangerous infestation the Greens really are.
    However, it is not just the Greens, many of whom skulk around the corridors of unconstitutional (illegal) local government. We must also throw into the mix the self-serving an ignorant dumb-arsed politicians and the out-of-control bureaucratic cancer that is actively eating away at our national well-being. Politicians and their bureaucratic masters, for that is exactly what they are, have abandoned common sense and abrogated their responsibility to manage this country in a manner beneficial to all of its citizens.

    • Peter Sandery 12/11/2019, 9:42 am

      Whilst I agree with the thrust of your argument, Albert, I presume that your comment on local government refers to the fact that local government is “unconstitutional (illegal)” has its genesis in the fact that local government is not mentioned in the federal constitution. The reason it does not is fairly easy to ascertain as any sort of research into the history of Australian federation will show that the final decision of the conventions on the subject came up with the idea that the constitution will explicitly state what are the powers of the federal government and all others at the time exercised by the founding colonies would remain with the colonies. Local government predated federation by over 30 years in Australia and is catered, some would say over-catered, for now in state legislation of various kinds.
      All the above has not precluded activist High Court Judges, envious of the power of politicians, from reading (implying) things into the constitution that those who do not see through the red lenses of the United Nations cannot see in the actual print of the constitution.

  • Honeybadger 12/11/2019, 9:33 am

    Bridget McKenzie is a waste of space spouting about climate change causing heat waves and droughts. A furphy, well and truly debunked by many including scientist Andy Pitman.
    Get informed about fuel loading Bridget, you would do well to listen to a firefighter at the coalface –
    “The fuel loading we are seeing out on the ground is ridiculous. We are looking at 5-10 years of growth, this fuel source is making these fires untouchable, we can’t even get near them to fight them.”.

    • Peter Sandery 12/11/2019, 9:52 am

      She, like all Senators and MP’s actually have no excuse not to have looked at the sceptics scientific concerns of the Alarmista’s theories as they have all received the IPA’s publication on climate change a couple of years ago and will receive an up dated version when it comes off the press next year.
      It is quite clear from the comments of Ms McKenzie that she has either not read that publication or chooses to ignore the message that a fairly broad range of scientists and others purvey. However she appears to be in “good Company” as even Dreyfus, Mark, QC shows the same ignorant attitude to the subject.

  • rob 12/11/2019, 10:01 am

    The big problem in conducting hazard control burns at the individual level and with assistance with the RFS is the time in obtaining permits and going through the red taps from councils and local government, by the time the paperwork is approved the date scheduled for the burn which is chosen based on available crews and weather conditions has passed.
    I spent some years in the RFS and the volume of resourcing/money and time that goes into trying to put out a fire in National Parks is huge, all because the lack of reduction burns in parks can escalate to big uncontrollable fires that leave the park into farm land and then to villages. National Park fire management is non-existent due to high risk management and poor planning, lack of cattle grazing which all helps in reducing the fuel loading.
    We said the same thing in 2003 when the bushfires went through Canberra and the Monaro, because of poor fire reduction management…..we will say the same thing again in 10 years…..

  • Cliff 12/11/2019, 10:27 am

    From my recollections, every time the authorities have held hazard reduction burns anywhere near Sydney over the last few years, there has been an avalanche of complaints over the smoke ruining the complainants’ washing.

    The one constant is the media’s willingness to put these complaints to air.

    • Neville 13/11/2019, 1:57 am

      Media compliance, one would think …

  • Aktosplatz 12/11/2019, 10:19 pm

    First part is the interview of Rowan Dean by Peta Credlin on Brexit, but there is an important second part of the interview on the bushfires and the Paris Agreement which is quite revealing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG759cXZiX4

  • John 07/01/2020, 4:18 pm

    The Greens do not make policy the drunken BJ does. They are not bad, slash funding, give it to their mates and blame the greens… look at the water management, they cant manage anything, nothing will change, keep blaming those with little influence

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