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12.01.21.  Like a dog worries a bone the Constitutional madness of splitting the nation by skin colour again reminding all that despite the waffling of Scotty from advertising’s BS about us all being “one” the reality is that most are not buying such nonsense, the premise of which is based mostly on fantasy and the re-writing of history now being taught in schools from the book of authority—Bruce Pascoe’s, “Dark Emu!” The ABC at every occasion when speaking of the Aboriginal minority refer to the issue as, “Pre-Invasion!” A DNA test would once and for all settle the issue and then and only then can we be “all in this together” as “one” and still wondering if we are truly “dumb young and free?” Beware of the liars—read here very carefully. The story of a snake dressed as a kangaroo and a two-faced snake charmer!
The proposed Indigenous voice to government, outlined for the first time in an interim report on Saturday, is being viewed as a “a critical and positive next step” towards meaningful constitutional reform. Some of the most dedicated supporters of the movement to enshrine an Indigenous voice in the Australian constitution remain hopeful the Morrison government is moving towards, rather than away from, a model that could still ultimately receive constitutional protection.

Source: Paige Taylor, News Corp

Indigenous leaders upbeat on voice report

Key supporters of the landmark 2017 Uluru Statement from the Heart’s call for a voice in the constitution have rejected Labor’s pessimism about cabinet-backed proposals for the voice.
Labor is highly critical of the Coalition for commissioning an interim report on the voice with no commitment to put it in the constitution.
“A voice must be able to provide full and frank advice. It must be secure and it should not be subject to the whims of the government of the day; this report fails in that context,” Labor said in a joint statement from opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Linda Burney, senators Pat Dodson and Malarndirri McCarthy, and Northern Territory MP Warren Snowdon.
Labor is concerned that if the voice is merely legislated, it could be abolished by parliament, as the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission was in 2004.
But key Uluru supporters have characterised the voice proposals, published in the interim report, as progress. They do not believe the door is closed to a referendum on whether the voice should be enshrined in the constitution. In fact, the ­Coalition’s own 2019 election policy says that cannot be ruled in or out until after the final design of the voice is settled.
Empowered Communities national chairman Ian Trust, whose organisation comprises eight ­Indigenous leaders from across Australia, including Cape York ­Institute founder Noel Pearson, described the voice interim report as ­necessary preparation for a ­future referendum.
“The release of interim report is a critical and positive next step,” Mr Trust said.
“The co-design work has been crucial to fill in the details of the voice and how it could practically operate on the ground.
“That detail has not been available previously and it is essential to have it, and enable it to be discussed broadly, before going to a referendum to enshrine the voice in the constitution.“
“The government has said that it won’t move at this stage to constitutional enshrinement,” Mr Trust told The Australian on Monday. “Nevertheless, the work on detail needs to be completed so that the voice can be institutionalised in legislation and constitutionally enshrined at a point in the future.”
The voice proposals are the work of 52 Australians, most of them Indigenous. Empowered Communities could become part of a network of up to 35 local and regional voices suggested in the interim voice report. This is because the report suggests a national voice would engage with existing bodies, not undermine them. That national voice would then give advice to parliament and government.
Distinguished researcher Marcia Langton, who oversaw the voice report with former Australian Race Discrimination Commissioner Tom Calma, urges all Australians to look at what is proposed and help finalise the design.
The final proposal for the design of the voice is expected to be considered by the government in the middle of the year.
Eddie Synot, one of the Uluru statement’s prominent supporters and a researcher at the Indigenous Law Centre at the University of NSW, said the report was an interim step on the journey to recognising the voice in a referendum.
“This means that this interim report, and whatever it produces from consultation, should be sufficient information, on top of all of the work that has already be done and is represented by the Uluru Statement, for Australia to proceed to a referendum soon,” Mr Synot said.
It has been an eventful and at times confusing 2½ years for Australians interested in constitutional reform. Soon after the Uluru Statement was presented to the Australian people, it was rejected by then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull before a bipartisan joint select committee effectively put it back on the table by recommending work on what the voice would look like.
The Coalition accepted that, but there have been mixed messages about what will become of the voice once its design is finalised. Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt said in 2019 there would not be a referendum in this term of government on the question of whether to put the voice in the constitution. Then he said he wanted to legislate the voice before the next election.
Scott Morrison has said that whether or not the voice is constitutionally enshrined will be decided only after Australians have seen what it is.

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  • Ian 12/01/2021, 7:08 am

    Equality for all.

    That means to advantage paid to any culture, old or new to this land. No special grants. No special government departments. No special courts. No lenient sentencing. No special policing of domestic violence. And the same requirement to get off you backside and go to school and then get a job.

    Now that would be worth voting for, although by omission, it is actually already in the constitution, it’s just that the do gooders won’t read nor comprehend those details.

    Maybe a referendum on ignoring, (or inflicting their own demands), the whining greens and latte sippers would be a better question to pose. Everytime some fool demands cash or land be given to the aboriginals, let them be the first to donate, in full. See if they support that.

    Gifting the aboriginals is not a no cost option. It is real money and real assets that are lost from productive Australia.

  • jaded 12/01/2021, 7:35 am

    Why hasn’t this been debated on the floor of Parliament?? Why isn’t this going to a referendum? All of this is being done under the guise of Covid? If I am wrong show us Hansard on the illegal National Cabinet. I don’t even know whether that title is even legal. They keep putting off the debate on Religious Freedom that was promised during the plebiscite on same sex marriage. Anyway, how many of the Indigenous population out bush have been consulted or was it only the elitist group in the Universities and in the Parliaments, and on the Quangos

  • John 12/01/2021, 7:44 am

    Last time I dug this up was a few years ago so numbers may have drifted a little but at that time every woman, child, man of aboriginal descent had about $48,000 spent per annum on them by gov,s. Every person who has not the benefit of the black privilege of aboriginality had about $18,000 spent per annum.
    So yes, I am in favour of us all being “one” and everyone having exactly the same $18K spent on them.
    Pardon? that`s not how it works? But…… but…….. isn`t that what being “one” means? `Course it doesn`t you stupid bastard.

  • Lorraine 12/01/2021, 8:51 am

    The big reset is not for the aboriginal,,,,they will out perform all tax payers and their voice will be megaphoned in to Government……are we the lucky country….yeah sure we are

  • Penguinite 12/01/2021, 9:01 am

    Meddle with The Constitution of Australia at your peril, Mr Morrison! Especially covertly! Better put Marsupial Man back in the bottle and put your honest proposals to the people at the next election! Just like Labors attempt to lumber us with EV’s at the last election, they will be roundly condemned!

  • Disgruntled 12/01/2021, 9:31 am

    jaded; Your comment is right on the money especially definitely and positively the last bit!!!

    Pen, spot on!

  • Albert 12/01/2021, 9:45 am

    As Hillsong pest and serial yapper, Morrison really thinks he is God and he will slip the Abo nonsense into the Constitution when he thinks nobody is watching.

  • Albert 12/01/2021, 9:56 am

    The annual assault on Australia Day will begin in earnest very shortly but in the meantime let us look at the truth about 26th January:

    Subject: Facts about Australia Day
    Our Education system is not competently advising our children !!
    Don’t expect the media to educate you that’s not part of their agenda. Australia Day does not celebrate the arrival of the first fleet, or the invasion of anything .
    Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th of January.
    The Landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th of April 1770 – not on the 26th of January 1770. The First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay on the 18th of January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a different reason; however, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australia Day celebrations as a reminder of a significant historical event.
    Since the extravagant bicentenary celebrations of 1988, when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s landing should become the focus of the Australia Day commemoration, the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade.
    Now, a generation later, it’s all but lost.
    This is because our politicians and educators have not been doing a good job promoting the day. Our politicians have not been advertising the real reason for Australia Day, and our educators have not been teaching our children the importance of the 26th of January to all Australians.
    The media, as usual, is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.
    In recent years, the media has helped fan the flames of discontent among the Aboriginal community. Many are now so offended by what they see as a celebration of the beginning of the darkest days of Aboriginal history, they want the date changed.
    Various local Councils are seeking to remove themselves from Australia Day celebrations, even refusing to participate in citizenship ceremonies, and calls are going out to have Australia Day on a different day.
    The big question is, why has the Government allowed this misconception to continue?
    Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th of January. So changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.
    The reality is, the Aborigines in this country suffered terribly under the hands of British colonialism. This is as much Australia’s history as the landing of the first fleet, and both should be remembered, equally. Both should be taught, side by side, in our schools.
    Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines. We abhor what was done under British governance to the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So, after the horrors of WWII we decided to fix it.
    We became our own people.
    On the 26th of January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with Passports as Australians.
    Under the Nationality Act 1920 (Cth), all Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders born after January 1, 1921 gained the status of British subjects. In 1949, therefore, they automatically became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
    Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines born after 1921, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British Passports and fight in British wars.
    We all became Australians on the same day!
    This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January!
    This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day Aborigines were declared Australians.
    Until this date, Aborigines were not protected by law. For the first time since Cook’s landing, this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians by inference and precedent the full protection of Australian law.
    Because of this Act, the government became free to help Aborigines, and since that day much has been done to assist Aboriginal Australians, including saying ‘sorry’ for the previous atrocities done before this law came into being.
    This was a great day for all Australians!
    This is why the 26th of January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship. It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality and Citizenship Act of 1948 – the Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of Australian Law, united as one nation.
    Now, isn’t that cause for celebration?
    Education is key! There is a great need for education on the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January. This reason needs to be advertised and taught in schools. We all need to remember this one very special day in Australia’s history, when freedom came to all Australians.
    What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud!
    We need to remember both the good and the bad in our history, but the emphasis must be the freedom and unity all Australians now have, because of what was done on the 26th of January 1949, to allow all of us to live without fear in a land of peace.
    Isn’t it time all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on Jan 26th?

    • Aktosplatz 12/01/2021, 12:28 pm

      That’s excellent, Albert, makes perfect sense. I used to prefer January 1901 as Australia Day as that was when the Commonwealth became official ( e.g. Canada Day in July celebrates their Federation).

      But 1st January has an obvious disadvantage with New Year’s Day.

      But this rationale for 26th January is much better. Thanks Albert

    • Neville 12/01/2021, 1:54 pm

      Well-said, Albert. And good research.

    • PW 12/01/2021, 4:26 pm

      Albert, the researcher.
      A great read, but what you now need to do is get the emails of every pollie, including the bloody gangrenes and send your research to them.
      Ask for a response as to whether they actually read these facts and have decided it as a truth.
      We need to make a stand to stop this annual bitch fest.
      I’ve copied your research and placed it in my folders for reference.
      Thank you.

    • BBob 13/01/2021, 8:54 am

      “This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th of January!”

      Is it?

      On 26 January 1788, Captain Arthur Phillip unfurling the British flag at Sydney Cove and proclaiming British sovereignty over the eastern seaboard of Australia on 26 January 1788 and formal possession was taken of the Colony of New South Wales. On that day, Captain Arthur Phillip became Governor of the Colony, having jurisdiction over the area bounded by latitude 10 37′ to latitude 43 49′ south and inland to longitude 135 east’.

      Manning Clark (surely a more reliable source than the “source unknown” of Albert’s article) wrote that on January 26, 1808, the ‘anniversary of the foundation of the colony’ was observed in the traditional manner with ‘drinking and merriment’. John Macarthur Senior had ensured his soldiers were amply supplied with liquor, bonfires were blazing and private houses illuminated.
      Yes, it was called Foundation Day back then, but the Commonwealth Government and all States and Territories finally agreed, in 1946, I repeat, 1946, to observe the same National Day – 26 January – and to call that day Australia Day.
      As for “Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines”, I call BS. Maybe the author has been been reading rubbish like Pascoe’s book, listening to verbal diarrhea from the likes of Shorten and Wyatt, or lives in “dreamtime”, rather than take note of the many articles by reputable historians like Manning Clark on how, relative to the time and particularly in comparison to how, eg, the Spanish would have treated Aborigines.

      Aboriginal women, still shockingly abused by Aboriginal men, should be thankful that the British took steps back then to reduce the abuse.

      First Fleeter Watkin Tench wrote that he noticed a young woman’s head “covered by contusions, and mangled by scars”. She also had a spear wound above the left knee caused by a man who dragged her from her home to rape her.
      Tench wrote, “They are in all respects treated with savage barbarity;
      condemned not only to carry the children, but all other burthens, they meet inreturn for submission only with blows, kicks and every other mark of brutality.”
      He also wrote, “When an Indian [sic] is provoked by a woman, he either
      spears her, or knocks her down on the spot; on this occasion he always strikes on the head, using indiscriminately a hatchet, a club, or any other weapon, which may chance to be in his hand.”

      Marine Lt. William Collins wrote, “We have seen some of these unfortunate beings with more scars upon their shorn heads, cut in every direction, than could be well distinguished or counted.”
      Edward John Eyre, who was very sympathetic towards Aborigines, nevertheless recorded:
      “Women are often sadly ill-treated by their husbands and friends…they are
      frequently beaten about the head , with waddies, in the most dreadful manner, or speared in the limbs for the most trivial offences… “Few women will be found, upon examination, to be free from frightful scars upon the head, or the marks of spear wounds about the body. I have seen a young woman, who, from the number of these marks, appeared to have been almost riddled with spear wounds.”

  • nev 12/01/2021, 10:18 am

    Well I imagine the Aboriginal Industry believes they are still owed more. Since they have spoken to the emu brained prof Pascoe, they have now discovered just how much, afterall they………….
    1) Invented the wheel
    2) The plough
    3) Animal husbandry
    4) Lead head nails and corrugated iron
    5) Milked cows & spun sheep’s wool into silk thread
    6) Oh! I suppose I should mention jet engines, aeroplanes, space ships and astronauts
    Did I miss anything Scotty?

    • John 12/01/2021, 11:07 am

      Hell yes, nev. JC was a “proud xxxxxx man”. And Mary al australi a “proud xxxxx woman”.

      • Ian 12/01/2021, 11:34 am

        That must be true, why else would they be kicked out of a pub before closing.

        Note…. The story tellers reworded that last part to say that there was no room at the inn. It sounded better than 9/10th pissed as a fart and swearing like troopers while starting fights with the bar staff.

  • wal1957 12/01/2021, 10:53 am

    The problem with this is obvious. It is racism in its purest form.
    Where are the HRC on this? Missing in action because it doesn’t suit their agenda!
    BTW, ATSIC was a failed corrupt organisation that enabled the idiots in charge to funnel funds for their own purpose. Like anything to do with the ‘aboriginal industry’ , it failed dismally and cost the taxpayer a mozza at the same time.
    They can take their ‘voice’ and shove it where the sun don’t shine!

  • JK. 12/01/2021, 11:04 am

    Well written Albert, but expect it to be taught in schools we cant have the facts taught because the education system is a bit short on facts. That constitution Act is phony as well we never got a vote on that either pushed thru by Hawk and his cronies.

  • Maryanne 12/01/2021, 2:17 pm

    Does anybody really trust the word of politicians? – NO.

  • Maryanne 12/01/2021, 2:22 pm

    What a load of tripe. Look at the language: “Empowered Communities”. Is ’empowered’ a euphemism for ‘dysfunctional’ these days?

  • Disgruntled 12/01/2021, 2:59 pm

    If you all got this far I hope you all opened the link put up by Honeybadger near the start of the comments.

    I knew nothing of this site until I opened the link and I must say; blimey it sure is worrying!!!

  • crankykoala 12/01/2021, 3:13 pm

    ‘The Voice” what BS! The only “Voice” I want to hear is “You’re The Voice” sung by John Farnham.
    On Australia Day there will be only one flag flying at my place and it is the one my sadly passed relatives fought under, and for, during world wars. Those other two rags should never have been adopted — “Australians all”. “One and free” — what a sick joke!.

  • PW 12/01/2021, 4:43 pm

    Bruce Pascoe came onto the scene in an attempt to stop world embarrassment against the Aboriginals not achieving one iota for thousands of years. Look at the discoveries from other continents and one has to wonder why less than zilch was done here. Now, after receiving education from the early settlers of this land they cannot even bring it to themselves to say “thank you” especially after receiving the national “sorry”. Did they accept that??

    I’ll repeat Honeybadger’s link here; PLEASE pass this onto your friends, rellies and fill this out.


    • John 12/01/2021, 9:04 pm

      Desperately trying to remember the joke that ended with ” Now dont do anything till I get back”. Oh, what the blazes was it………

  • Albert 12/01/2021, 5:44 pm

    My apologies fellas but I didn’t write this piece. It as sent to me as an email without a source being named. I should have labelled it as “source unknown”.

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