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Deja vu on Pell

Sound familiar?

In 2009 in Victoria, Josephine Greensill, spent two-and-a-half years in prison for a crime allegedly committed 30 years before — molesting two 8-year-old boys in her Year 3 class.
She was convicted in a jury trial with the sentencing judge saying her vile actions had “poisoned and eroded” the victims’ lives.
In the words of her lawyer, “there was no medical evidence, no forensic evidence and no eyewitnesses”.
The appeal court ruled; “The verdicts of guilty are unsafe and unsatisfactory. They cannot be permitted to stand.”
Here is what the news said on her release
And here is what the judges said on appeal.

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  • Honeybadger 14/03/2019, 7:54 am

    A sad case full of implausible ‘evidence’. The jury sound brain dead. No repercussions for the perpetrators either. A case for trial by judge alone but not possible in Victoria.
    The Pell appeal will be very interesting.

    • Pensioner Pete 14/03/2019, 8:11 am

      Not only the jury’s action be questioned, the defense solicitor must have been a bit lacking for this travesty to occur.

    • Penguinite 14/03/2019, 8:20 am

      Agree HB! Implausible and uncorroborated. Plus the jury were only allowed to view the areas in question during mid-week when the amount of human activity was at it’s lowest. How could the jury compare a mid week time with that which follows after a major Mass? My money is on a quash and possible retrial but what ever happens Pell’s life is forever tainted. If he doesn’t die in the next few weeks some nutter will take him out after the, probable, result. Once again the Victorian Police have managed to distort the proper processes.

      • ibbit 14/03/2019, 9:23 am

        I listened to the sentencing of Pell and a couple of things stood out to me about the alleged incident in the Sacristy: the judge said of the open door that Pell would have known if anyone was likely to be passing, and if they did, he would be able to deal with it. How, given the description of the alleged circumstances?
        The second thing was the nature of the Alb. Father Brennan in his article gave a thorough description of that robe. How Pell could have done what he was charged with without undressing in part denies credibility.
        Pell will possibly win on appeal.
        That jury must have been carrying a heightened dose of vindictiveness instilled by the media such as the ABC, and others, over their long period of witch hunting on the issue and person.
        So much for the concept of a fair trial, unless of course, trial by media is seen as fair.

  • Aktosplatz 14/03/2019, 8:13 am

    Well researched, MM. I listened to part of the sentencing of Pell on 4BC which basically was about telling Pell why he was going to jail. His repeated us of the phrase “showing a lack of remorse” directed at Pell was offensive to the judge because he (Pell) was actually rejecting the verdict. I was wondering how Pell was to show “remorse” for something he claimed he didn’t do. I’m still wondering.

    • Albert 14/03/2019, 9:04 am

      Akto, I too wondered why the judge pushed the “showing a lack of remorse” line and I also wondered why he introduced such an emotive description of the boy supposedly crying while Pell fiddled with them. The aspect that rings alarm bells for me is the distinct probability that he instructed the jury in such a fashion and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

  • Rossini 14/03/2019, 8:15 am

    No compensation………for sh1t sake.

    Why were the men not prosecuted …..

  • Cliff 14/03/2019, 9:05 am

    Surely it has occurred to one of the TV networks “news” crews to dress an actor in full Catholic Archbishop’s regalia and have that actor re-arrange said robes to allow him to force a second unwilling person to…
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    I feel I’m descending into “too much information” territory, but you all know where I’m going with this.
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    At a guess, it would be damn nigh impossible. But that doesn’t fit “the narrative”, does it?

    • Lorraine 14/03/2019, 9:20 am

      No it does not and the left and the ABC along with media have been after George Pell for over a decade,,,,,This conviction is against what we know as law, Public opinion with media has demanded that George Pell take the blame for all in the Catholic Church and its wrong doings. Yes many have done worst than Pell is supposed to have done. I am Methodist so not a follower of RC or a cheer leader either, In this case no witness

  • Jack Richards 14/03/2019, 9:30 am

    About 40 years ago when I was teaching High School in a mid-sized country town a fellow teacher was accused with having sexually molested two 15 year-old girls i.e. Year 9 students. They claimed that he’d touched them up in a classroom during lunchtime on a particular day while they were being punished for some infraction.

    The accusations were made about 6 months after the alleged event occurred. The Police arrested him at the school and he spent a day or two in the cells before his lawyer got him released on bail.

    In any event, well kept roll books showed that the two girls were absent from school on the day of the alleged sexual assaults and neither had they been part of the lunch-time detention group that day or any day within weeks of it. When confronted with this evidence the girls confessed they’d made the whole thing up because they had a grudge against the teacher for having disciplined them on occasion and having reported their bad behaviour to their parents. The girls were both charged with supplying false information to the Police but, needless to say, got a slap on the wrist by the court as they were juveniles.

    BUT when the teacher had been arrested and charged and arraigned the local paper had it as front-page news – no names of course but everyone knew who it was. His house-roof had been rocked at night and his wife and children had been abused in the main street and they had received innumerable abusive and threatening phone calls and “poison-pen” letters between the arrest and the dropping of the charges many weeks later. The cumulative effect was that his marriage failed, he moved to another town and eventually left teaching altogether. Even though the girls confessed they’d made the whole thing up there were some in town who believed the girls had been “got at” by the cops and others and that he was, indeed, guilty as charged and had got away with it.

    That whole incident more than 40 years ago left a very bitter taste in my mouth. All it takes is an accusation and it can ruin your life and see you made into a pariah ever afterwards. It also showed just what sort of Lynch Mob mentality exists in society. There are still those who believe Lindy Chamberlain killed Azaria as some sort of weird religious sacrifice at Ayres Rock despite the quashing of her conviction and the compensation she and her then husband were awarded.

    Incidentally, the teacher involved in that incident received no compensation, not a red cent, because the girls obviously had no money or possession he could sue them for. He couldn’t sue the Police as they’d acted lawfully under the circumstance. He just got a huge legal bill, a divorce, and a ruined career.

    He could easily have ended up like Josephine Greensill had it not been for accurate keeping of roll books and detention registers.

    • Aktosplatz 14/03/2019, 1:04 pm

      Trial by Media whipping up Mob Rule. And the awful thing is, the mud sticks for life. That teacher you mentioned, Jack, is the victim of not only the girls, but the justice system as a whole. The mud will stick on George Pell for life, even if he is acquitted by the Appeal. I am hoping, if he is acquitted, that his church will fully re-instate him, in which case he should leave Victoria and finish his life at the Vatican.

  • Rossini 14/03/2019, 9:36 am

    Has she sued the accusers in a civil suit?

  • Deano 14/03/2019, 12:09 pm

    I guess the ‘Juries never get it wrong’ brigade won’t want to read about this case. How 8 year old boys were supposed to have full penile intercourse and even ejaculate didn’t seem to bother the jury. Fashionable convictions should scare everyone.

    • Albert 14/03/2019, 1:13 pm

      No Deano, juries never get it wrong and there is a Leprechaun living in my wood shed.
      It angered me when community leaders, journalists and commentators claimed it was “disrespectful” to question the findings of the jury. In doing so they ignored completely the far too many times that juries have gotten it wrong.

  • Richard Mullins 21/05/2019, 1:40 pm

    Thanks. In the Greensill case, it was reported that the initial accuser first approached a leading firm of litigation lawyers. I wonder if it was the same firm that Pell’s accuser approached?
    Richard Mullins portal1943@gmail.com

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