web analytics
≡ Menu

SSM is the republic issue revisited?

SSM is the republic issue revisited?

As more nonsense surrounding the SSM postal vote come to light, the more it begins to mirror the Turnbull failed con for his republic. When the legal ramifications are exposed many clear thinking Australians begin to take notice and worry. They have cause to worry because government is so adept at creating a social mess. It was the blank cheque you can trust us attitude that crashed the republic issue and the same appears on track for the SSM urgent push. The far reaching effects are undefined and unprotected. Like the republic push, the SSM push should be put back on the drawing board. Funny how Turbull presides over both issues?

A third of all Australian voters say they are undecided over whether to allow gay marriage in a national poll that signals the issue of legal protections for religion and freedom of speech could determine Malcolm Turnbull’s postal plebiscite.

Source: News Corp

Undecided voters call for legal protections to accompany vote

A national poll of 4,000 people commissioned by the Australian Christian Lobby suggests that 61 per cent would likely vote Yes with protections for children, freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

But, in an indication the No campaign could be influencing voters, the Yes vote tanked to just 17 per cent when people were presented with a scenario in which gay marriage was unaccompanied by legal protections.

In this situation, the number of people prepared to change their vote to No doubled, while 29 per cent of respondents said they were undecided.

The poll results come as the government yesterday finalised the safeguards that would apply to the Yes and No campaigns for the duration of the same sex postal survey, with penalties of up to $12,600 to apply who break the rules.

The safeguards will cover vilification, intimidation and threats to cause harm to persons on the basis of their sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status or religious conviction, with the government aiming to have the legislation passed by the end of the week.

Acting special minister of state Mathias Cormann said the government would introduce the additional safeguards bill into the parliament today and confirmed it would be in operation until the “declaration of a result on November 15”.

“We urge all campaigners on both sides of this debate to express their arguments with courtesy and respect,” he said.

The safeguards will ensure political authorisations are included on campaign advertisements, that there will be “reasonable opportunity to have opposing views broadcast” and that prohibitions will apply to misleading conduct.

The ACL poll, conducted by research firm Sexton marketing and research — the Nationals preferred polling company — mirrors previous polling finding that a majority of Australians back gay marriage with support ranging from 58-72 per cent in favour.

It also suggests the issue of appropriate legal protections for schools that teach traditional marriage, service providers that cater to marriage ceremonies and individuals who continue to defend traditional marriage could prove to be a potential sleeper issue and generate a significant swing vote.

The Equality Campaign, regarded as the moderate force behind the Vote Yes movement, have said it would never support a bill that interfered with the sacraments or rights of freedom of speech and the rights of Christian schools to teach traditional marriage.

ACL managing director Lyle Shelton said the debate on same sex marriage had shifted to a question of what the broader knock-on consequences would be.

“When the public consider the question of changing the marriage act, it all comes down to consequences,” Mr Shelton said. “All we have is a promise from certain politicians that we need to trust them. And other politicians are openly saying that they will not support protections of speech and faith.”

“Further the research clearly identifies the level of concern among mums and dads about what impact changing the marriage act will have in their kids’ classroom. We have already seen overseas that parents are losing the right to say no, as governments enshrine radical LGBTIQ sex and gender programs in the classroom.

“Australians are supportive of a fair go, they are supportive of equal treatment under the law. However, this support does not extend to a loss of free speech or the right to practice your faith. And it certainly does not extend to losing control of what their kids are exposed to at school”.

Bill Shorten yesterday said Labor wanted to “make sure that people are protected from hurtful speech” because members of the LGBTIQ community had become a “talking point” in “discussions they thought were done and dusted”.

The Opposition Leader argued the debate was not about broader issues or the knock-on consequences of gay marriage, dismissing the arguments of the No campaign as “a whole lot of other distractions”.

“We don’t have a 1950s definition of a family, whatever one thinks of that definition. Families come in all shapes and sizes,” he said. “There is one question on the survey. Do you support same-sex couples being able to get married?”

{ 11 comments… add one }
  • Lorraine 13/09/2017, 7:53 am

    so we had all better shut up, or find $12600.00 to have our hurtful say, a law for the duration of this postal campaign, and I asked who is the umpire that knows what is hurtful. Consequences ,well we live with the Rudd ETS and the Carbon Tax from Julia Gillard and the consequences are we are paying 3 times as much for power and even more in the future. Pollies have made very bad decisions , and I have a feeling here we go again. Malcolm is no winner. so the consequences of SSM is fraught with dangers for free speech or freedom of religion , the zealots will be in control

  • Pensioner Pete 13/09/2017, 8:00 am

    One can only hope the current polls are as accurate as they were for Hilary Clinton’s tout at the POTUS in claiming a large majority in favour of a Yes vote for SSM, otherwise, we are lost indeed.

  • Aktosplatz 13/09/2017, 8:18 am

    Turnbull’s ongoing Trademark – Confusion & Incompetence – are revealed again.

    The only person who makes him occasionally respectful is Bill Shorten.

  • DB8tr 13/09/2017, 8:44 am

    The No vote requires thought, some study and an interest in the deeper stuff – not a great omen for the average “Aussie-she’ll-be-right” Toi-Voi watcher. Might distract them from the Block and Hells Kitchen. Therefore rainbow ads and smiling ‘equality for all’ sucks the majority in. After all who doesn’t believe in equality. I really want to believe people will think about kids and our time tested values and vote No. Sadly, the laconic laziness that makes up part of Austrayas culture could lead our nation further down the p-tube.

  • Margaret 13/09/2017, 8:55 am

    Yes, there are a lot of similarities between the SSM and the Republic vote. Very woolly headed thinking, no planning, no strategy…Melvin Trumble all over again.

    • Lorraine 13/09/2017, 9:21 am

      he has proven form , and 54 donkeys voted him PM

  • Biking Voter 13/09/2017, 10:06 am

    Come on Dear Leader, bring it on, a referendum on the republic. You obviously like getting your arse kicked till your nose bleeds. One bloody nose not enough for you?

  • Robert TG 13/09/2017, 11:44 am

    The “yes” voters are proud to and praised when they stand up and announce that they are voting YES. While the NO voter is looked upon as a bigot and racist and homophobe and evil and backward……no wonder there are so many people saying that they haven’t made up their minds……..say your undecided or face all the name calling……hummmm, I’m still going to vote NO.

  • Honeybadger 13/09/2017, 1:12 pm

    Where is the legislation? IF anyone dares say ” I think heterosexual parenting is generally better for children” I suspect that will be regarded as vilification and you will be hauled before the star chamber

  • Topsy 14/09/2017, 9:35 am

    I heard on radio this morning that Turnbull is a fake on many things from the republic to SSM and energy.
    Is it any wonder we do not have trust or respect for this man?
    Lorraine’s comment above says it all – 54 voted for him as against Abbott and here we are in the sort of mess which will almost guarantee a loss of free speech, people in traditional marriage being attacked, the Nation being run for the benefit of an absolute minority of selfish screamers supported by incompetent politicians, big business and a media which treats the majority with contempt.
    What of democracy? Is it dead buried and cremated in Australia? If not, that scenario is not too far away.
    I should mention, as no one else is, the new carbon tax on common household items which passed the Senate this week. This tax will apply to emissions from lawnmowers, leaf blowers, edge trimmers, outboard motors, cars – the price of which will be forced up by about $5000.00 and anything else in this line it will please a politician to tax.
    This is a tax which will have consequences for many, many thousands of people including pensioners who use such services for their lawns, who will have to pay more for such a service as will anyone who uses them.
    On the one hand, government puts in place services to help older people stay in their homes while the real estate industry – supported, without doubt by government (younger people need your homes) – try to force or entice us out of our homes with blandishments about idealised living in 2 x 4 boxes. Added to this government are now going to tax a very necessary service in lawn mowing for older people. Is this not incoherent policy or what?
    A tax on necessity, a tax on pleasure, a tax on a new car and so on – all just another manifestation of the incompetent, ideological warriors we are pleased to call politicians.
    We have much to worry about beside the abhorrent SSM fiasco.

    • Bwana Neusi 14/09/2017, 9:23 pm

      In my last job before I joined politics, I was a used car salesman.
      “Now would you guys be interested in this “Pig in a poke” that I have for sale?”

Leave a Comment