Indonesia has a population of over 240 million, at least 45 million are middle class consumers providing as substantial market for foreign imports, including Australian.
However the rest, around 195 million people, are low income earners or poorer beggars and subsistence farmers and use other hand to mouth existence method to stay alive. Even in the City of Jakarta the poor shelter on back streets and even build rough shelters with whatever materials they can find.
And of course Indonesia, the largest Muslim population in the world, are Australia’s close neighbours. Few Australians realise just how close the relationship has been for a very long time. Military officers of the elite forces are often sent to Duntroon Military College in Canberra. One of many areas of cooperation.
Most Indonesian Muslims cannot be compared with Middle Eastern and African Muslims. However it was Arab traders who brought Islam to the islands now called Indonesia.
“Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world. The total population is about 240 million, with over 200 million claiming Islam as their religion. Most Indonesian Muslims are Sunni, while there is a small group of Shi’ites. Whether an Indonesian is a Sunni or a Shi’ite, he is probably a “folk Muslim.” Folk Islam mixes animistic practices with orthodox Islam.
To Westerners and the Orthodox Muslims of Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc, folk Islam contradicts formal Islam. Yet, those who practice it rarely see themselves as syncretists, but as genuine Muslims. Folk Islam is practiced because formal Islam does not answer the questions of everyday life, but only deals with ultimate issues of life, i.e., origins, heaven, hell, purpose. It is cognitive, legalistic, and institutional. But folk Islam gives an answer to everyday concerns of health, guidance, and success. It is emotional, mystical, and inspirational.”
I have visited Indonesia many times, mostly for business reasons and sometimes for holidays. I have never felt threatened or otherwise uncomfortable. A former Australian Army Intelligence Officer I used to be in contact with worked creating maps for that country in his earlier Army service days and spoke the main language fluently. He was later attached to the Australian Embassy in Jakarta and when I knew him he was a business owner there in export-import. He assured me that most Indonesians are good people. Their way of life is of course very different to ours but Australia is a sought after destination for young people to enrol at our universities. Sometimes I used a hotel business service office while in Jakarta and two of the female staff were graduates from Australian universities. Note female staff.
In my opinion too many Australians are suspicious of Indonesians and are wary of them being Muslims in the majority.
I hope the above changes the minds of readers because closer economic relations and greater tolerance towards Indonesians is important if only with Asia Pacific Trade in mind, but also for many other reasons.
Are few issues play on my mind. 1) their attitude to the Hilton bombers seemed very lay back and unconcerned. 2) Terrorist events ( Bali, Hilton ) 3) The massacres during the communist threats 4) the corruption and two faced legal system 5) interesting treatment of women in Acech, including circumscison.
Beware the quiet subservients, I always thought Philipinos were delightful caring subservient people, till my wife, in the business, told me at home they were downright brutal esp to their children.
Thanks for the words DT. I too have formed a similar view of Indonesia. For the knockers who have tunnel vision- a country so populated , seems to have far less ” nut cases ” , than even Australia!!
This POS is the one who should be deported, not Aussies. Refers: https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/aussies-who-dont-sign-contract-should-leave-country-or-be-executed/news-story/9d42cf64d149e32b292560308e8f5682
Just received a phone call from a Liberal Party official, canvassing for my local member (Bonner).
I was very polite (really) but explained calmly that the Liberal Party had lost its way. I spoke at length about the Paris Agreement and power prices and how it was affecting the C.o.L. and driving small business offshore or to the wall.
He admitted that a fair swag of Liberals believed in Climate Change and the Paris Agreement.
Well, I concluded, there’s no way I am voting Liberal unless policies are changed. And that was it.
Treachery will no longer be a crime in Australia, apparently …
Maybe why the politicians wanted protection for ignoring the Australian Constitution, foreign interference allowed?
Hidden in the current Foreign Interference legislation before Parliament is additional legislation that should be of concern to all Australians. It changes Treason offences against our Country. It seeks to change the definition of treachery and “modernise it”. Politicians that undermine the Constitution of the Commonwealth by using illegal lawmaking will no longer able to be prosecuted by law after it is passed. The Attorney’s General Department is simply using Foreign Interference to rush this “modernised” treachery legislation through our Parliament.
According to the Department of Attorney General website under TREASON TREACHERY and OFFENCES against the GOVERNMENT new changes are being proposed to existing legislation.
“The existing offence of treason in the Criminal Code does not refer to modern international terminology relating to armed conflict. Existing offences for treachery and offences designed to protect the security and defence of the Commonwealth under Part II of the Crimes Act are archaic and outdated. Although rarely used, these offences are a critical part of Commonwealth criminal law and are being updated to appropriately reflect the modern Australian context.”
Why is methane now being targeted via UN IPCC?
Well the IPCC produces the most methane on Earth from all their farts……..
This is interesting about the Denver Airport in the US……….
Lots of strangeness!
WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE F.CKING DICKHEADS!!!
University of Manchester students ban hand-clapping to avoid “triggering” anxiety
Jazz hands? Is that what w4nker5 do when “reading” their jazz mags?
Pauline Hanson’s letter to the PM – get us out of Paris or explain why you won’t!
Anyone got pommy friends or family living here (or anywhere other than the UK) expecting to draw a state pension, please point them here……(folks in the UK might help too)
Climate Change Hoax exposed …
What were they thinking?
The fate of the planet is at stake, but the key temperature data set used by climate models contains more than 70 different sorts of problems. Trillions of dollars have been spent because of predictions based on this data – yet even the most baby-basic quality control checks have not been done.
Thanks to Dr John McLean, we see how The IPCC demands for cash rests on freak data, empty fields, Fahrenheit temps recorded as Celsius, mistakes in longitude and latitude, brutal adjustments and even spelling errors.
Why. Why. Why wasn’t this done years ago?
So much for that facade. How can people who care about the climate be so sloppy and amateur with the data?
And more evidence that the IPCC is not reporting factually;
New migrants would be banned from Sydney and Melbourne says the Morrison government. Ho ho ho, admirable, but how to enforce it for we are not Russia or China where one has to have an internal passport (Prospika in Ruski) and what of those with a particular skill who are needed in Sydney or Melbourne. Why not just stop immigration of unsuitable people for a year or two or forever? Can anyone imagine what any “real” Australian would say to a bloody border guard at the fence opening around SY or ML! Maybe MM is right about Mr. Morrison
I noted today that some boffin says that if we reduce immigration young Australians will pay for it in the future. My question is how will they pay for it? Sydney is bursting at the seams and Melbourne is not far behind and the answer provided by those boofheads is to build more and more high rise apartment blocks. In their agenda there is no mention of how we feed all the new arrivals and neither is there any mention of how we provide them with meaningful employment that keeps them and their blood sucking family members away from the Centrelink money tree. And, very importantly they are prepared to take in uneducated, ignorant, illiterate, incompatible and anti-assimilation drop kicks who have no respect for our culture or laws or way of life as their intention is to turn our county into another flea pit like the ones they came from.
Will pay for it repaying debt and interest required to build new infrastructure and expand government services to cater for migrants, and many also welfare dependent and a further drain on government budgets.
IPCC still wrong …
Just when I thought I might have a nice stress free day along comes the media to tell me that the Lord Almighty, Jimmy Barnes, didn’t agree with the racing industry putting a light show on the SOH. It gets right up my nose when they use those third rate has beens, as if they were some kind of gods, to tell us what we should or shouldn’t do. Likewise with the news that Taylor Swift has joined the Democrats in the US. the music and movie industry has in its ranks some of the worlds greatest morons and really, who gives a stuff what they think or do.
Sir Edmund Barton’s ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907.
‘In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn’t an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag…. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.’
One of the very wise men who created the Australian Constitution that Mr Mansion believes to be a badly flawed document written by stupid people.
Constitutional law ignored to implement UN treaties here with no reference to we the people of Australia.
Because they can.
To the Editor:
Jim, I sent in a file by email with a story on the topic you suggested. I sent it to both email addresses but no reply. Just wondering if you received it or maybe it got shunted to the spam folder? Anyway, if you could let me know what you think that would be good.
One Nation continues to gain ground, NSW elections should be interesting come November. Refers: https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/one-nation-scooping-up-regional-nsw-voters/news-story/3e81750ef18ef8256f57119859c22c3c
It is increasingly obvious the voters are becoming tired of the major parties lack of performance and pandering to minority groups.
The security laws dividing Australia: Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton pleads with senators to sign up to anti-terror snooping laws… but they say it’s a massive breach of YOUR privacy
THIS dutton IS A NO GOOD BASTARD.
HE THINKS THAT AUSTRALIANS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO SOME PRIVACY.
THIS IS NOT COMMUNIST NORTH KOREA !!!
THE MUSLIMS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT NEED TO BE TARGETED!!
How can you tell a Muslim male from a group of Australians?
Peter Dutton is a good man.
Peter Dutton may be a good man, however the latest proposed legislation is a disaster waiting to happen with government agencies being able to compel ‘back doors’ into phones, VPN services and encrypted software, which will be nothing less than a bonanza for the criminal elements in stealing our identifies and emptying our bank accounts for starters.
Pauline Hanson’s One Nation set to form an alliance with Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party
Australia ‘contribute’ $100 Million towards the APEC summit in PNG, whilst the PNG government delights in spending around $13.8 Million on Maserati cars. As per ABC report: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-12/png-splurges-on-40-custom-maseratis-as-polio-returns/10366734
So nice to know where our taxes go and how efficient DFAT are in giving away our hard earnt.
Islamic extremism in our primary schools: Two students under ten years old revealed to have threatened to BEHEAD teachers
THE DEVIL WORSHIPPING DEATH CULT OF islam MUST BE BANNED!!
Too bloody right.
That absolute disloyal back-stabbing sleazebag, Malcolm Turnbull, trying to throw two more under the bus. In his usual “It wasn’t me, it was someone else”, way he is attempting to blame others for his unfathomable $450 gift of that Great Barrier Reef organisation comprising 6 members:
A word in yr ears about commenting. Seven or eight of us have a closed group on Facebook, just ordinary middle aged conservatives, no porn, no bad language, just ordinary folk. My wife is a well known photographer, mostly wildflowers, countryside, stuff like that with many followers of her website. One of our group “lost” the website address and asked me for it so I put it on our Facebook page. They immediately shut me down for posting Spam, big brother at work. the Australian newspaper has done the same with a Alice in Wonderland outlook where the newspaper can determine a word to mean whatever they want it to mean and the comment is never published. I never ever thought stuff like that would happen in our Australia but it is slowly creeping in and there is bugger all any of us can do about it. Xavier was right, poor fellow my country.
You can’t even use the words ISLAM or MUSLIMS on the website of JoNova!!
NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
WHERE IS MY FREE SPEECH???
WTF!!! Scott Morrison will change the law to ban religious schools from expelling gay students
WHAT A WASTE OF SPACE THIS AHOLE morrison IS !
SHOULD BE IN THE LABOR PARTY !
MORRISON HAS TO GO!
THE CREATURE IS WORSE THAN TURNBULL!
BLOODY TRAITOR !
WHAT A F.CKING JOKE, HE PRETENDS TO BE A CHRISTIAN……. BULLSHIT!!
Oh Dear! Angry is shouting again. Classic “If I shout loudly enough, people will listen to me and believe what I am saying.”
Yesterday the ravings of some fool was telling us that social media was an essential communications tool. Seems our politicians have been taking that very seriously indeed.
Halal food hint: Whilst it’s impossible to be reimbursed for the fees you pay them for your food a swift light sprinkling of cheap vodka or similar will definitely remove the curse.
Haven’t thought about that one Z. I used to sprinkle bacon and ham rind on BBQ plates frequented by the people belonging to the religion of peace and goodwill just for the birds you understand, but now that I am old and can’t balance on a push bike anymore I have taken to saying “after you missus” in the local supermarkets when I run across one of the blokes shopping in the aisles dressed up in a long nightie and wearing a little hat and beard. One directed some very unfeminine language at me the other day in Woollies.
G’day Bots, thjought you might like this –
A young Arab boy asks his father “What is that strange head piece you are
The father said: “Why, my son, it is a ‘chechia.’ In the desert it protects
our heads from the intense heat of the sun.”
“And what is this clothing you are wearing?” asked the boy.
“This long flowing robe seems so… Oh, my son!” exclaimed the father “It is
very simple. This is a ‘djbellah.’
As I have told you, in the desert it is not only very hot, but the sand is
always blowing. My djbellah protects the entire body.”
The son then asked: “But Father, what about those ugly shoes you have on
“These are ‘babouches’ my son,” the father replied. You must understand that
although the desert sands are very beautiful, they are also extremely hot.
These babouches’ keep us from burning our feet.”
“So tell me then,” added the boy. “Yes, my son…”
“Why are you living in Sydney, and still wearing all this shit?”
My personal favourite failed UN prediction was that between 2005 and 2010 the US would suffer with over 50 million climate refugees. This year, I noted that there was actually none at the moment but, that number was ready to shoot right up.
I was wrong.
I apologise. Unbeknown to me it had started to shoot right up.. The following extract will show
Reality check: As of 2017 only one person has claimed climate change refugee status: The world “first climate change refugee” Ioane Teitiota from Kiribati. His claim was dismissed by a court in New Zealand in 2014.
How could I have missed it ??
Maybe they all melted in the heat?
Supply of Energy and the supply of water should be taken off the States and made a Federal Responsibility.
Like Defence, these two Essential Utilities ensure our sheer survival.
And therefore they also should never be privatised because shareholders are always motivated to make profit at the expense of the less wealthy.
Charity should begin at home.
Essential Services such as electricity and water should never, ever be run for a profit !
This bloody ahole pm morrison “creature” is supporting this treasonous TPP to the detriment of all Australians!
Even spruikers can’t find benefits in jury-rigged TPP
The Labor Party’s support for the Trans Pacific Partnership in the face of overwhelming evidence and its own policy confirms that voters are right to be disgusted with the cynicism of the major parties.
The great Donald Trump is not selling out his country by signing up to this TPP CRAP !!!
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