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London has a gun problem, like Sydney

Gun control in Aussie and UK

Nearly two dozen people have died and more than 100 others have been injured in shootings across Sydney since the beginning of 2012. Ten suburbs account for almost 30 per cent of the city’s gun violence. A number were targeted, execution-style shootings in Sydney over a 17-month period.
There were 207 firearms deaths in Australia in 2013, a rate higher than in 19 other countries, including the UK, Bolivia and Zimbabwe.

While our journos tremble in horror at America’s problems with gun crime, it’s clear we are far from immune from the deadly influence of firearms. The tightening of gun laws following the Port Arthur massacre drastically reduced the number of guns in private ownership, For a while. There are now roughly one million more.

Yep. There are currently around three million registered firearms in Australia, according to gun control researcher Philip Alpers from Sydney University’s School of Public Health. This compares to less than 2.2 million registered firearms in July 2001. He estimates that there are about 200,000 illegal handguns on the streets.

Now what about the UK where they have gun control laws?

A major London hospital has seen the number of gunshot injuries rise faster than knife wounds, and the average age of victims get younger as the city battles a surge in violent crime, a consultant trauma surgeon has revealed.

Martin Griffiths said medics at the Royal London Hospital expect to treat between 50 and 60 victims of gun crime in 2017, reporting that the Whitechapel hospital has seen: “Year on year … a 20 to 30 per cent rise in the past two or three years.

The change comes despite private ownership of guns being practically illegal for most city dwellers in the United Kingdom, with only hunting rifles and shotguns available to a small minority, and predominantly in rural areas.

The vascular and trauma surgeon told a meeting held by the London Assembly Police and Crime Committee on Thursday how the average age of patients with gunshot wounds has decreased to the mid to late teens, from 25 in 2012.

Talking about gunshot injuries with “at-risk” youths, and introducing them to victims could help prevent gun crime, according to the doctor, who visits schools in his spare time to “de-glamourise” injuries associated with gang violence.

Dr Griffiths explained: “When you talk to people about knife and gun injury, they think they’re going to either be alive and fine or dead but they are very concerned about cosmetic injuries about colostomy bags about smelling bad, about being disfigured and about being disabled and those are much more horrific than being alive or dead.

“I think meeting a gun victim who has been disabled is much more of a powerful stimulus for change, he added.

Noting that the majority of gun crime victims are keen to retaliate, Dr Griffiths said that key to stopping the cycle of violence is working with “communities”, and financing programmes.

Also speaking at the event was Metropolitan Police commander Jim Stokley, who told the meeting that just under half of gun crime discharges in London were gang-related, with handguns and shotguns the most commonly seen firearms.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that, I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

In April it was revealed that gun crime offences in London in 2016/2017 surged 42 per cent from the previous year while knife crime rose by 24 per cent, after Prime Minister Theresa May kerbed police use of stop and search  —  a tactic bemoaned as “racist” by activists, but which senior officers insist saves black lives.

 

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  • luk1955 12/10/2017, 8:22 am

    Nowhere is it revealed that the gun crimes are moozie in origin, which they are. Here in good ole Oz, the security industry is full of moozies, with its attendant access to guns. Which they will use against us when the time comes.

  • Ozisceptic 12/10/2017, 8:48 am

    Gun control does not prevent criminals using guns. My police friends say a good % of households in some Sydney suburbs have a gun.
    It probably does stop non criminal usage, eg domestic violence.
    The USA is a sad example, not only guns but deaths from muggings ( knives etc ).

  • Penguinte 12/10/2017, 8:52 am

    Percentages are okay so long as the base factor is known. Gun crimes may well be the most newsworthy but I’ll bet there are more idiots walking around with knives than guns. Hospitals report that more medical incidents of knife trauma are attended to than guns. Memo to drivers involved in “road rage” DON’T STOP OR GET OUT OF YOUR CAR! Middle Eastern types are notoriously unforgiving.

  • Albert 12/10/2017, 12:27 pm

    As can be expected we are once again being subjected to hysteria over gun ownership but, the debate, if you can call the one-sided hysteria a debate, takes on the usual ignorant misinformation, dishonesty and straight out scaremongering. The above article does just that.

    In an effort to sound as if they know something about the subject, academics first and foremost zero in on the number of privately owned and legally registered licenced guns held by law abiding citizens and they then deliberately attempt to link that to ‘about’ 200,000 illegal handguns on the street. How dishonest can you get? I wonder if there is not that number of illegal guns to be found in Western Sydney alone.

    They tell us that there are about three million registered guns in Australia with the inference being that those gun owners are just waiting for the chance to launch another Port Arthur attack. We see in today’s news brave little Johnny Howard donning his bullet proof jacket once again and jumping on to the hysteria band wagon to warn us that voting for the Shooters & Fishers Party risks another Port Arthur massacre. Absolute piffle!!

    We hear and read drivel such as the spurious claim that the gun buy-back after Port Arthur is the reason we have not had more mass shootings. Such babble completely ignores the fact that the only people who handed in proscribed types of guns were the honest private citizen who didn’t need them and the only people who were chucked under the bus and portrayed as potential crazed killers were the honest sport shooters and landowners who needed them to control pests.

    Those people, who wanted to go shoot some clay targets or do a bit of weekend hunting were portrayed as being potential criminals while the real criminals kept their illegal guns, added to their arsenals via the illegal gun importation trade that is rife in Australia and went shooting not clay targets or rabbits but humans. They continue to do that today while people like the silly little Johnny Howard prattle about those terrible members of the Shooters and Fishers Party.

    We read about the gun deaths in Australia being higher than the totally lawless Bolivia and even Zimbabwe. A pointless piece of completely irrelevant information that is extremely hard to even consider having a smidgen of probability and those wise enough would put such claims in the fake news/useless information basket.

    Just to clear up any misconceptions, I am not against gun control and I don’t believe that there is any place for fully automatic or military grade guns but I am against the misinformation and hysterical ravings that come to the surface whenever the subject of guns crops up.

    • Bushkid 12/10/2017, 4:59 pm

      All true, Albert.

    • Joe Blogs 12/10/2017, 9:45 pm

      Agree, Albert. Howard’s a little pansy who’d faint at the sight of a Hopalong Cassidy popgun.

  • Bwana Neusi 12/10/2017, 7:22 pm

    When we first arrived in Australia, we were interrogated by the local police because we had three collector’s pre war air rifles.
    I tried to explain that they were not very powerful at all, but the response was “They are firearms! You will have to apply for a licence or have them destroyed.”
    Take another look at statistics and ask yourself why let the truth get in the way of an hysterical argument.